So I'm a fan of the Nashville series and as such it's got me interested again in making music.
One thing I have trouble with in my DAW (Studio One) is trying to get BIAB bass Realtracks to sound smooth, fatter, thicker and deeper without sounding boomy. I know not all BIAB RealTracks were recorded with same musicians so there will be a variance but is it a matter of adding effects to make bass sound the way I want it? Studio One has "ProEq" but I've never been able to get the bass to sound like I want although I have gotten close. I also have iZotope Nectar2, Allow2 & Ozone6 plugins but never happy with the bass tracks from BIAB. Currently mixing with this RealTrack "_ACCFOLK.STY BBStrings_Real 2444 Guitar, Baritone Electric, Background PopCountryBrent Ev 085"
I'm seldom ever satisfied with any bass track that I hear initially. But adding a compressor to the bass track and adjusting it to suit your taste can get rid of the boomy sound and muddyness so that it punches through the mix. Give it a try. And of course make sure there's NO reverb on your bass track. Also pan your bass just a bit off center to give it it's own sonic space and to keep it from muddying up the vocal. Finally, it's all subjective. If YOU like it, it's good.
Also, filter the RealTracks picker to make sure you have select the "Direct Input (DI)" version of the RealTrack. That ensures that there is no effects processing on that track. That lets you do all the processing as you see fit.
John
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Here is something to try - using just what Studio One Professional gives you. (You should NOT need anything more - S1 Pro has it all...)
1. Drop the Funk Bass preset on your bass track. (EQ and Compressor)
2. (You may need to turn the whole track down after that -2 0r -3 dB)
3. Bring up the EQ that is now on the track - click the maroon circle to turn it on - it's around 80 Hz. It will drop out the really low stuff. Slide it a little right to drop out a little more - a bit right of 100 Hz.
4. Raise the Yellow dot up - a "bump" just above 100 - it will give your bass some punch and clarity. You can slide it a little left or right to hear the affect it has on the sound of the bass...
Try a good saturation plugin. They'll change the tone of your bass in ways EQ and compression can't. I have Klanghelm SDRR (https://klanghelm.com/contents/products/SDRR/SDRR.php). It's a steal at 34 euros but there are other options eg soundtoys decapitator. The bass sound you describe is exactly what you get.
I've never tried Helian 3, just the regular Helian Bass further down the page. But since it is free on this site I'll likely grab Helian 3 also.
Free Amp is pretty cool also, but I have noticed version 2 may play nice on one machine where version 3 works on another so I don't often recommend it publicly.
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Bass is often the hardest thing to get right due to the speakers and room you're working in. Having a good playback system with speakers that can reproduce that low end accurately is critical to getting it to sound good. A treated room really helps too.
Floyd also hit on something that not many people are aware of. It is a great idea to high pass the bass. Just like you should do with most everything else, the bass can often benefit from a high pass filter set to around 100hz. You might have to experiment a bit on the slope and the exact freq, could be lower or higher, but it's something you should try. Most people do the exact opposite and boost the low end of the bass thinking it will get them a fatter sound when the opposite is in fact true.
Keep in mind too that you're comparing your mix to that of a professional who knows what to do and has the million dollar studio and knows how to use it. Not saying you can't get a great bass, because you can, but you might not get it from a real track. As great as the RT's are, sometimes you just have to do something else to get what you want. I've been known to use a sampled bass with midi and play my own bass lines from time to time. You can often get a much cleaner bass which has nice definition in the sound and cool characteristics and overtones that might not be in a RT.
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The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
You may be trying to emulate a composite sound of acoustic and electric bass blended together.
Choose your bass RealTrack (I'm assuming acoustic), freeze the performance you like best, extract the RealChart midi, import midi and play using an electric (if RealTrack was electric then go with acoustic) bass instrument patch. Mix the sound of both tracks together to create one sound. One track likely will be -12db to -18db quieter than the most prominent track.
You'll still need to eq the composite sound but you may find the composite sound to be closer to the way you want to begin with.
Thanks everyone for your comments. There's a lot to think about and some of it is beyond my skill set but there are some useful things here to consider.
Also, filter the RealTracks picker to make sure you have select the "Direct Input (DI)" version of the RealTrack. That ensures that there is no effects processing on that track. That lets you do all the processing as you see fit.
Here is something to try - using just what Studio One Professional gives you. (You should NOT need anything more - S1 Pro has it all...)
1. Drop the Funk Bass preset on your bass track. (EQ and Compressor)
2. (You may need to turn the whole track down after that -2 0r -3 dB)
3. Bring up the EQ that is now on the track - click the maroon circle to turn it on - it's around 80 Hz. It will drop out the really low stuff. Slide it a little right to drop out a little more - a bit right of 100 Hz.
4. Raise the Yellow dot up - a "bump" just above 100 - it will give your bass some punch and clarity. You can slide it a little left or right to hear the affect it has on the sound of the bass...
I don't have the same options as you. I don't have your instruments and certainly not guitar as an option in my folder list. I would love to know how you got those? I'm using Studio One 3 Pro.
Here is something to try - using just what Studio One Professional gives you. (You should NOT need anything more - S1 Pro has it all...)
1. Drop the Funk Bass preset on your bass track. (EQ and Compressor)
2. (You may need to turn the whole track down after that -2 0r -3 dB)
3. Bring up the EQ that is now on the track - click the maroon circle to turn it on - it's around 80 Hz. It will drop out the really low stuff. Slide it a little right to drop out a little more - a bit right of 100 Hz.
4. Raise the Yellow dot up - a "bump" just above 100 - it will give your bass some punch and clarity. You can slide it a little left or right to hear the affect it has on the sound of the bass...
I don't have the same options as you. I don't have your instruments and certainly not guitar as an option in my folder list. I would love to know how you got those? I'm using Studio One 3 Pro.
Whatever your picture was suppose to be, I can't see it...
Are you looking at the Effects? Make sure that is clicked at the bottom of the Browse window (not Instruments or Sounds or Files or Pool).
In the RealTracks picker, you should see a column labeled "Direct Input Available". So first check if the instrument you want has a DI available. Then, you can reselect (or select) the instrument, but make sure the "Direct Input" checkbox is checked.
John
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1. I assume that in referring to Nashville, do you mean the TV series?
2. Are you mixing over speakers in your new room? If so, no amount of Izotope or other processing is going to help overcome the very strong room modes that you very likely have present in that room due to the quite narrow shape and concrete walls.
I realize that most people will say to never mix over headphones. That is generally true; particularly for stereo imaging. However, for very narrow and/or small rooms, there is almost no way to actually compensate for the undamped room modes you have right in the middle of bass guitar frequencies.
You can test for the actual modes with a little bit of a complicated setup if you have a microphone and a way to record output of your monitor speakers while keeping it from feeding back into the system.
The reason you might need this is to record how strong your room modes actually are and what kind of compensation you will need to do in an output bus EQ so that when you do mix, you aren't compensating with individual track EQ.
These are automated systems. However, you can accomplish similar results for strongly undamped modes like what is probably in your room, by using a sine sweep waveform played through your system, and a microphone at your listening position, recording the output of the speakers.
You record the signal and then look to see at what frequencies you have strong modes - this is where the recorded signal will go significantly higher than the rest of the signal. Several ways to go about measuring this.
However, before going on - do you have interest in the topic?
Izotope's Neutron has some great electric bass presets that address the issues you mention and they are easy to tweak. And Neutron's "Masking Meter" makes it easy to detect frequency collisions with the kick drum and bass guitar.
Bud
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Although the Bass RealTracks are good I personally never use a BIAB bass line. I always like to create my own as the RealTracks never quite play what I want them to play. They will have strange and inappropriate leaps or maybe a walking bass will be OK for a while and then suddenly jump to a wrong note. Sometimes the bass notes can sound out of tune to my ears too. I think the bass is such a crucial element of a song that it is best to create your own lines. This applies no matter what the style jazz, funky, country or pop the bass line is the glue with the drums to creating the correct groove. I use Spectrasonics Trilian or MODO bass but there are many excellent bass vst instruments to choose from.
Paul, in listening closely to the YouTube link, the bass is not even being played for half of the video and the part where it is present is the absolutely simplest bass part one can imagine. At most two notes per measure and only the root being played if my ear is not lying to me. Often the notes are held long enough that they simply die out. I would be surprised if there are any BIAB tracks that are that simple.
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