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Hello again to All,
Have a problem getting asio4all to work correctly in PTPA-11. Not sure what is going on.
Have tried numerous settings in the asio4all control panel and changes do occur, but none
of them make the prob go away. The prob is that when I playback a song that I am working
on, at a buffer setting of say 128, it sounds like a motor boat. And when I change the setting to a higher number, say 256 or even higher then the playback sounds like it cuts in and then out and in and out or stutters a couple times regurlarly every bar. Hope that description made sense. Pretty sure its probably a settings issue, but followed the asio4all setup instructions to begin with and got the motor boating. Using Audiophile 2496 card, quad core Q6600 proc, 4 gigs ram. Anyone else ran into this? Would like to use some real-time reverb
on some vocals as I record.
Thanks for any help in advance.
Larry
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why arent you useing the drivers that came with the 2496 card ??
a question .
your quad core...
are you attempting to record to the same drive as win OS residea on ??
please define motor boat in more detail.
are you saying playback "stutters" where audio cuts in and out ??
if its stuttering please post what devices you have in your pci slots other than the 2496.
please read my tips in the tips/triks section that addresses stutters.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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why arent you useing the drivers that came with the 2496 card ??
a question .
your quad core...
are you attempting to record to the same drive as win OS residea on ??
please define motor boat in more detail.
are you saying playback "stutters" where audio cuts in and out ??
if its stuttering please post what devices you have in your pci slots other than the 2496.
please read my tips in the tips/triks section that addresses stutters.
Thanks Manning for the reply.
Never could seem to get the 2496 asio drivers to work so Mac had recommended getting the asio4all drivers which I did.
Right at this time I am using just the one drive in the machine though I know I should have a seperate drive for just the music files. Hope to have this solved soon.
Motor boat sounding was just a way of describing how the playback sounds with the in/out stuttering occuring so rapidly that it sounded like a motor running loudly.
The only PCI card other than the 2496 in the machine is a wireless network card for my connection to the net. I always disable it before running and/or recording in PTPA.
Tried to find your tips on stuttering in your tips/tricks but without reading thru them all to find the right ones (lots to pile thru) have not yet found the ones you are referring to. Is there a way to search thru them without piling thru 1 thru infinity so to speak? LOL
Again thanks,
Larry
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To Manning,
I forgot, I have 1 other pci card also in this machine.
It is a radeon 9000 video card to drive my dual monitors.
So all in all I have three PCI cards installed.
1-the 2496 M-Audio
2-the wireless network card
3-the ATI Radeon 9000 video card
Thanks
Larry
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It is certainly an odd thing that the 2496 ASIO doesn't work, this is a first, actually. Now that we know that the ASIO4ALL doesn't work either, that points the finger at other things to check out.
Check your IRQ table and make sure that the 2496 is on a separate IRQ number all by itself. Ignore Windows' report of "No Conflict" it always says that.
To get to your IRQs, go to "Start", "Run", type in "msinfo32" and click "OK". In the left window, click on the "Hardware Resources" plus sign, click on "IRQs" and, after "polling" the computer, it will display what IRQ each peripheral is assigned to in the right window.
If the IRQ for the 2496 is not being shared, then I would suspect your hard drive. Is it 7200rpm with at least an 8mb buffer?
--Mac
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ops. i posted the lengthy tips to save retyping the same stuff time and again. firstly ASAP run a test useing a borrowed dedicated drive for recording. for budget i recommend 70 buk 32 mb cache 7200 rpm drives. for the zillionth time ..jeesh.. ITS NOT A GOOD IDEA TO RECORD TO THE SAME DRIVE AS WIN OS RESIDES ON. REASON BEING..WIN CAN INTERRUPT THE AUDIO PROCESS TO DO ITS THING. thus causeing stuttering etc. another cause of stuttering is the sound device..in this case the 2496 being locked out by another pci device. secondly run this tool asap. and report back the results. http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtmlits a usefull tool for helping identify possible daw problems.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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I can easily run PTW or RealBand or BIAB using my AP2496 card and just the C: drive for everything. XP SP3 here, on a rather long in the tooth Athlon 64 with 1.5g ram in it. The drive is a 7200 rpm w/8 mb cache. ASIO forever.
At reasonable sampling rate, which is almost always 44.1 here. Trying for 96 may be pushing it, maybe that's his real problem, dunno.
The 2496 is only a two-input/two-output card, not counting the S/PDIF, which he is very likely not using anyway.
Save the second hard drive advice for those trying to use multichannel soundcards where the bandwidth will be much higher. That's not the problem here.
--Mac
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mac.
re one drive.
if i remember weve had this discussion before ages back..lol.
respectfully i must disagree, as before..
for reasons ive detailed before. and i dont want to type reams
to explain it again mate.
ive fixed up and helped too many people n friends with one drive systems
whove had probs with such.
yes a lear jet will fly on one engine but its not adviseable.
drives are so blinkin cheap these days it doesnt make sense to me to
run a modern daw with a powerfull processor like a quad on
one drive.
but if some wish to do so..so be it.
they stand the risk of problems as trak counts rise.
most people running serious studios these days are
running one drive forOS, one for tracks , and if they are
heavily into sample libs , a third for samples.
god bless as always mate.
retired puter engr....powertracks on amd......NICE !
"what is the black art of audio engineering ?"
my silly songs...motagator.com/bmanning
see my tips in the tips section.
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Whatever.
There was once a time, like back when Win98 machines were the new item, where the second hard drive was considered mandatory for all users no matter the number of soundcard channels or track count. That is no longer the case. Plenty of folks are happily using Powertracks, RealBand and BIAB on one drive machines and making music that they post. Matter of fact, quite a few are using laptops for the purpose now, too, with just their internal drive to do all the work.
The times they are indeed a-changin'...
--Mac
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Hello Manning and Mac!
Thanks again for the responses!
Manning,
I downloaded the prog you suggested and found the culprit to be my pci wireless network card as the only device when activated sent the graph up into the yellow and reds. And when disabled, all stayed in the green and prog said this machine should be able to handle streaming audio and video with it disabled. FYI--I do have a second 500gb Seagate HDD installed in this machine when I built it a few months ago, but for some reason the system does not seem to recognize it. At least it has never worked. Just have not had the time nor extra moolah to getit taken to a computer shop to find out why. The second drive shows up in the device manager but all the pertinent
stuff shows up greyed out for it. So you see I actually did plan to have a second HDD for the music files. If it is of interest both HDD's in this machine are Seagate 500gb 7200 rpm 32mb cache drives. The cpu again is the Q6600 quad set at 1066Mhz fsb and the 4gb ram is PC-8500 in 2, 2gb sticks set at 1066Mhz as well. OS is XP Pro sp-3.
Mac,
As stated to Manning above I have 2 hard drives in this machine. Both are 500gb 7200rpm 32mb cache drives, but only one is working right now.
As to your suggestion of looking at the IRQ situation, I did that and found that the 2496 card is listed as IRQ 19 along with 4 other things under IRQ 19 as well.
Don't know enough about computers to know what to do about that.
Also, No, I do not use the S/PDIF.
Oh,BTW I did try to use the 2496's asio again and it seemed to want to work better than the asio4all but still had lots of popping sounds in the audio.
Hope this answered you questions.
Thanks again
Larry
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As to your suggestion of looking at the IRQ situation, I did that and found that the 2496 card is listed as IRQ 19 along with 4 other things under IRQ 19 as well.
You don't say what the other devices are, but in my experience it really is best to try to put that soundcard on its own IRQ.
With Windows XP and forward, the only way we have to do that anymore is to move the card to another PCI slot and try again. Hope to get lucky.
***That nonworking hard drive could be causing all sorts of problems for you if it is still connected to the IDE bus and the power supply. Open 'er up and disconnect the cables to that drive and try again. The same could apply if the drive is SATA. Disconnect it from both power and data lines.
--Mac
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Mac,
Thanks for the help once again!
I think I have solved the asio prob. I checked the IRQ of the 2496 card and found it was sharing IRQ 19 with 4 OTHER things and noticed that the wireless-G network card was in there on IRQ 20 all by it's lonesome. Sooooo, I swapped PCI slots
between those 2 guys and now the 2496 card is on IRQ 20 all by it's lomesome, and the network card is now sharing IRQ 19 with those other guys.
Bottom line is that all seems to be good now as I checked both the 2496's asio and asio4all and playback now sounds just fine. Except there is some latency or delay in the playback of a couple of the tracks when using asio4all. Would suspect this to be due to a buffer or something that needs to be adjusted for asio4all.
Also solved the 2nd HDD situation and it is working now as well.
Thanks again Mac!
Have a great day!!
Larry
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Try using the native M-Audio ASIO again, that's all I use here when working with the 2496 card.
Good troubleshootin', pat yourself on the back.
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FWIW, I've used the good old C-drive on a recording laptop DAW since I bought it over 3 years ago. No other choice than to use the same drive. My track counts have to stay a little lower on that machine, but doesn't change the fact that it's how most laptop recordists have to do their work.
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FWIW, I've used the good old C-drive on a recording laptop DAW since I bought it over 3 years ago. No other choice than to use the same drive. My track counts have to stay a little lower on that machine, but doesn't change the fact that it's how most laptop recordists have to do their work.
And -- it works!
The only times I've needed an outrigger drive on my recording laptop are when I'm using more than 8 input channels at once on the 1616M. Then I hook up a firewire drive and set the recording host's Temp stream to the first logical partition of that drive.
For me working alone, I have found that a regular two-input soundcard does the job with the internal hard drive just fine. And the internal drive is a 5400rpm 8mb cache, at that. WinXP SP3 and plenty of ram (1gb at the moment, used to be 2g, pulled 'em for use in another lappy and found little if any noted difference).
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