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HI ALL
How wrong can you be about BIAB I was for years.
Many moons ago when BIAB was born and appeared on the market.
I and many of my friends and keyboard players thought it was just another collection of midi voices and some sort of player and editor for midi files.
The very name Band In A Box and the cartoon character musician logo reinforced this.
So for many years I ignored it while I was wooed with the likes of Cubase and Cakewalk and so on.
Eventually about 5 years ago I began to see thing on Youtube that made me curious, so I investigated, and almost immediately bought BIAB 2014 Pro.
Since then there has been no stopping me and now up to scratch with 2018 ultra plus.
It took a long time to get here but I am so glad that I am here now, magical program and I don’t think twice on recommending it to anyone.
So thanks PG for a very pleasant journey and a great program.
Mike
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I know what you mean Mike,
I first used Band-in-a-Box back when floppy Disks were the thing and sound came from a Creative Labs SoundBlaster 16 sound card. Got tired of it.
Next time the program arrived on a cd rom. Still playing midi but Roland's Virtual Sound Canvas program gave the SoundBlaster Audigy card a run for the money. Got tired of it.
The last time the program came on a DVD. Still plays midi but through the Sonar TTS-1. But ... now there is also real audio created from RealDrums, RealTracks, UserTracks and loops. I've upgraded every year since.
Now is a magical time for audio production.
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HI ALL
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The very name Band In A Box and the cartoon character musician logo reinforced this.
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Mike
Yes, this has been the subject of much discussion over the years. Your comments would make a nice testimonial for PG Music. And thanks for all your contributions to the Forum, Mike.
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Hey thanks.
For your replies guys .
Mat, PG are very welcome to use my comment should they so wish.
Just good to be in such good company .
Mike
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Yup, you get a lot of "eye rolling" and the occasional giggle when you mention that you use a product called "Band In A Box". That is until you actually play something for them that was created in BIAB.
I did a gig last summer that included an accomplished guitar player. He extolled the virtues of using a high-end keyboard to make the backing tracks for his "home studio" CDs.
I asked him to email me some of his best backing tracks, as MP3s. I chose one of his favorites, re-did it in BIAB, same key, same tempo, but added some RealDrums and RealTracks, then sent him back the new MP3. I doubt if it took a whole hour to complete.
I haven't a peep from him since!
Long live PGMusic.
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Yep great software biab for anyone who doesn't have the money to afford studio time or session musicians, and that is most of us. Your comments on the name made me laugh though. I said to a luthier a few years ago "Have you ever used band in a box" and his reply was yep the kids use to use it. I think on reflection what he meant was something like this or something similar. Band in a box Maybe a better name might be, Session Musician pro, or something like that.
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We have 22 songs licensed via Songtradr and several on their featured playlists. All songs were created by us (or via wonderful collaborators whom we met on the forum) using BiaB RT’s and RD’s. We’ve also been signed by Crucial Music as a result of a BiaB based song we submitted. Six years ago we never dreamed we would be able to produce music in many different genres. I mention this not in any braggadocio manner but only to illustrate that BiaB even allows rubes like us from out in the provinces to be players  There’s not much $ involved in these licenses but obviously the music placement folks don’t have any issues with BiaB’s quality. And folks that don’t get it or disparage BiaB can carry on w/o the benefit of having award winning musicians play on their projects!
Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos are here on our website.
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Hi Mike ,Great to see your post that tells how good BIAB is.
Janice and Bud another great post by you guys and heres to much more success for you in the future.
I really cant thank Biab enough either ,it means I can produce a song (hopefully good) with great sounding tracks that people ask who did you get play Guitar? or Piano? or Drums?
The company are brilliant as well,always online,always encouraging and professional, the cost/payment structure is great and their seems to be a genuine interest in helping poeple make good songs
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I have to admit that I was one of the musicians who in the 90's where laughing about BiaB and couldn't see how the program could be of any use.
But when I rediscovered it about 5 months ago I was really surprised about how much better it is today. I'm very happy that I bought it and I can see a lot of possibilities in using it.
One wish for the future is that PGMusic will make many more "supermiditracks" because I like the combination of a real good session musician playing and me still being able to change the sound or the instrument. For modern day producers of music it is very important to be able to make a unique sound to the tracks they are producing. That (I believe) is the limitation of the the RealTracks.
Still a very happy customer!
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Will,
As you investigate RealTracks, check out the ones marked "Direct Input" or "DI". For instance the surf RealTracks are "drenched" in reverb because that is part of the surf sound. However, the direct input variation of each, including the RealDrums, is effect free allowing you the opportunity to add effects as you desire.
I agree with your request though, I love midi SuperTracks. There is a request for more organ midi SuperTracks. Perhaps you can post a wishlist request for just more midi SuperTracks.
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We very much like the MSTs also. For guitar tracks the aforementioned DI option and a lot of regenerating/comping can add more uniqueness to your productions. Even w/o the DI regenerating multiple tracks and comping (sometimes down to the individual note level) can get you a track that much better supports your goals.
Bud
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I and many of my friends ...thought it was just another collection of midi voices and some sort of player and editor for midi files.
The very name Band In A Box and the cartoon character musician logo reinforced this.
So for many years I ignored it while I was wooed with the likes of Cubase and Cakewalk and so on.
A very valid point Mike, and as Matt has mentioned, the product name has very often been the subject of discussion. There is a very interesting discussion about the name in this thread. The author has made a number of extremely valid and very positive points and speaks with some authority on the subject matter. It is detailed but definitely worth reviewing. There are other valuable discussions before and after this thread, also worth reviewing. It is my personal belief that they product could be more widely recognized in the industry if it were given a more positive and suitable product title. It does have a 'computer game' sound about it. That name might have worked reasonably well 20 years ago, but doesn't offer appeal to the tech-savvy musicians of today. However, the developers haven't identified with this and I personally feel this has impacted on their market saturation.
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I like the name and the cartoon characters make it even more fun. Wouldn't be the same without them.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
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Hi all
Well what a response great to read all your thoughts .
What’s in a name if the product is good ?
Well I don’t think it done FL Studio any harm to come from just Fruity loops!
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It is my personal belief that the product could be more widely recognized in the industry if it were given a more positive and suitable product title. It does have a 'computer game' sound about it. That name might have worked reasonably well 20 years ago, but doesn't offer appeal to the tech-savvy musicians of today.
However, the developers haven't identified with this and I personally feel this has impacted on their market saturation.
Several years ago Dr. Gannon posted a link to an article that showed the market share of many well known computer music software companies. At the time, many in the forum were surprised to see that PGMusic's numbers were much better than they expected. The product has become more powerful since then. Even then it was ahead of some very well known competitors. Cakewalk is one I recall. For years products like Cubase and Cakewalk were packaged with hardware in order to get market penetration. To my knowledge, BIAB has never taken that route. The people who buy it are usually people who heard about it through an enthusiastic friend who owns it. (That's how I was introduced to BIAB) In spite of the differences in marketing strategy, BIAB has done better than you might think. I'd like to see an updated version of that article.
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Very reasonable feedback and discussion Pat. Thanks.
I guess the issue is that regardless of sales counts, friend's recommendations and more, how do we quantify if more sales or less sales could be attributed to the product title?
It's a bit like conducting a survey that asks a target audience "would you be more or less inclined to purchase an XYZ product if it was called 'Such and Such' or 'So and So' ? ". How would we ever know if market potential was being lost without the results of such a survey.
Frankly, it doesn't matter to me, I've already got the product. My only (unproven) concern is that PGM might be missing out on sales. I care about the company and the product and it deserves the best it can achieve.
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Hey Pat, if you can find that link again I would like to read it - must have missed that one.
Mike, Fruity Loops is a terrific example. I didn't even consider looking at it until they changed the name. I give them credit for branching out into serious territory.
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Well I don’t think it done FL Studio any harm to come from just Fruity loops! Mike, my point exactly! Completely separate from the music industry I've been exposed to other products that I just didn't seriously consider because of their quirky product names.
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I started using BiaB when it was available for Atari, Mac OS6, and pre-Windows DOS. I had an Atari/St at the time.
Although I play 7 instruments, my primary instrument is saxophone. I bought BiaB when it was limited to 4 instruments with no endings, shots or holds.
I used BiaB to practice improvisation on the sax. Trying ideas out in the privacy of my own home instead of in front of critical ears, or getting the band together to play a song while I tried out different things.
The thing about improv is that it works best by creating and then releasing tensions with the rest of the band. That's hard to do without the band, but easy with BiaB.
I thought Band-in-a-Box sounded a little corny, but then Cakewalk and Mark Of The Unicorn don't sound that great either. I bought BiaB to practice with, not to impress others with the name of the app I'm using.
When user styles were introduced I made some for myself. Since I play multiple instruments and studied music theory and arranging I wanted to play with the StyleMaker and see what turned out. I made a collection of styles and gave them to my friends. My friends said they liked them better than the built-in BiaB styles (aren't friends wonderful) so I took out a classified ad in Electronics Musician Magazine advertising my styles for Atari computers.
One day I came home to find Peter Gannon's voice on my answering machine asking me to call him. I didn't know if he was going to ask me to stop or anything else so nervously I called.
Peter Gannon was warm and friendly, he put me at ease right away, and told me if I sent him my Atari disks, he would make sure they worked with the IBM-DOS (PC) computers so I could sell to his biggest market.
Peter has been nice and helpful to me from then until the present day. As a matter of fact, so has everyone else in PG Music.
I've written hundreds of styles since then, put them up for sale, and the nice folks at PG even send people my way if I have something that PG doesn't have. (And I never-ever try to duplicate PG Music styles - I'm a different musician with different ideas.)
I've also been solicited to do "for hire" work writing styles for other auto-accompaniment apps. I can't disclose the names as part of the deal, but I can say of the hardware/software and software apps that I've written styles for, BiaB has by far the most interesting and the most musical output. I think that's why it's a success and that's why we are all here.
Don't judge an app by the name, only by its performance.
IMHO BiaB is the very best auto-accompaniment product available, and the nice folks at PG Music keep finding ways to make it better.
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
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Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
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Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
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- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
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- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
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Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Mac Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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