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The post I put in yesterday regarding the RealBooks software which I was trying to ascertain whether the BIAB files were worthy among other things has vanished. There's no note stating ,if it has been moved to a more appropriate sub-forum etc. It seems to have been deleted and I have no clue why or to where it is lives now if indeed it still exists. Anyhow, not sure what the moderation policy is here but whatever happened whether thru some admin explicit action or some weird software issue is not typical. This is what I get when I click on the generated email notification of a reply to my post: http://screencast.com/t/tsNy8zQb I believe that this was actually Matt's reply which was there yesterday but for some reason is not accessible now. BTW, I see the same behavior from both Google Chrome and Opera. Do you all encounter the same page ? Here's the link: http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Number=241815thanks
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In this particular case one may assume that PG Music tries to keep its forums free of copyright infringing links.
In general it sure would be good practice to let any active member of the forum with 200 plus postings know, why his or her post was cancelled -> it's as simple as a brief PM.
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Ok, I guess I'll agree on both points.
But I don't understand where the copyright infringements are. The RealBook has been around for ages. I guess I never assumed that the lead sheets were pirated. Am I to think that also the accompanying music is pirated ? How about the BIAB files? Is somebody's midi transcribing of music legally considered an infringement of intellectual property ?
I'm very much anti-piracy i.e. being a software developer by day and a "wanna be" music composer/producer by nite. So this makes me pretty unhappy since I did go ahead and purchase the software last nite. I guess I was being naive.
Anyhow, "not good".
Finally, I will agree with your last point. I'm a member of a multitude of techie and music related forums. I also happen to manage a couple forums myself and making a post just "vanish" without notice is not in my opinion typical nor do I think it good practice as you allude. Not that I'm really sore about that , I was just "mystified".
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Because my name was dropped here (no problem, Charles), all my reply said was that I recalled people had good things to say about the package you inquired about. If PG Music knows that the songs contain melodies, were not licensed and thus infringe copyrights, this is something I did not know and I would thus support the deletion of the thread, but an explanation would help. All we can do now is speculate.
However, please remember that other threads have disappeared that (in my observation) would not have been controversial about the forum rules. Again, it may just be buggy forum software.
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Damn Straight!! I'm from Chi-Town, and I know what happened.... Your post grew concrete legs and got dropped somewhere offshore. I spent a good fifteen minutes looking to respond to it...I would have been second in line. As a musician who has purchased all sorts of Real Books for years and years...as part of a legion of union musicians who have done just that...THIS ACTION UPSETS ME...TO DO IT SERRUPTICIOUSLY..HMMMM! I don't appreciate the "holier than thou" gut-reaction to dumping a post for a guy who has checked out...and been checked out...by all the copywrite hoods that have helped close down any number of legitimate establishments! Geeze!! I have been a customer of many "sources"....including this one. It is truly a wondrous compilation of original mp3's, charts, and they work for "educational" purposes as well as for "other" purposes. Blake just came out with a Bill Evans compendium that I WOULD JUST LOVE to have....for just $49 bucks!!!! What a great "product" , along with his idea of a year or two ago, to come out with an in-depth computer resource for Charlie Parker's best music and charts, again mp3's!!!..... 
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sorry, I didn't mean to drop your name as some sort of referral for the software in question i.e. more like for a witness that indeed I had made the post and was not going insane. Again, not sore about it, just find it odd. As far as I'm concerned its a close issue for me. I got the info that I needed.
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Like the M&Ms said, "It DID exist".
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There are interesting -> discussions about the product. The DRM stuff and 'key' handling appear irritating, in addition to murky info on legal issues ...
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Hi Charles
I have heard that the latest version 4 works far better than the previous versions which were difficult
The BIAB and Audio files are really just a collection of those that can be found on the internet
The main software appears to have leadsheets in C/Bb/Eb and one or two versions of original audio in Mp3 form
It sounds rather dated and as I have all the genuine and legal RealBooks (no underground fake books)- then it is not needed here
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Here's what I think:
*IF a forum moderator is actively deleting posts for legal reasons, said moderator should inform us of the act.
A simple, "Post removed for violation of forum rules" or the like as a placeholder would be nice.
I have had a few posts disappear in the past, not even remotely related to copyright infringement possibilites, that could have been due to buggy software or it could have been removed, don't know.
I hope Peter G checks in on this one...
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Ahh...TalkBass..... I enjoy that site tremendously, being an avid guitar man....straight or bass-guitar. The "discussion" there is generally much ado about nuthin' by a bunch of naysayeers that kick about dingles/dongles/and keys, quality of this or that. But 90% are hiding behind screen-names or not legit customers of this guy. Sorry state of affairs when we have to point to this low-life thread as meaningful in any way. Don't even know why Blake took the time to waste his "breath" on these cats who seem to be screaming out from a black hole. The bottom line...one of the best bang for the buck products a thinking musician could own. Nuff said, and I copyright that right now!    
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Good point, I'll ask the webmaster to send a inbox PM to someone if they delete a post. (unless it looks like a 'bot' spam post "how to make videos from youtube using our amazing software" , in which case they won't send an inbox.)
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As a musician who has purchased all sorts of Real Books for years and years...as part of a legion of union musicians who have done just that...THIS ACTION UPSETS ME...TO DO IT SERRUPTICIOUSLY..HMMMM!
Dude, I'm an old LA Local 47 guy. It seems like everybody in LA has those books, I hear that most of the players all know the two small hole in the wall stores in the area who sell them under the table as well as the guys who can get you the CD, of course I've never actually seen them but I've sure heard about them. Why? Because they're ILLEGAL. Those books cost about $35 each and have about 450 songs depending on the edition. A commercial songbook with royalties paid at a big Hollywood music store is about the same price for maybe 20 tunes. Do I need to paint you a picture?
This is a big well known high profile commercial site. Anything with melodies is what again? All together now in harmony.... 5-6-7-8 IL-LE-GAL.
What do you expect Peter to do? I suppose sending you a PM would be nice but remember this stuff is ILLEGAL. Got it?
A union guy from your neck of the woods should know better.
Of course this is all hearsay, things I've picked up from different players over the years. I would never have something tainted like that in my possession. As for me personally I have everything memorized, don't need no stinkin Real Books or whatever you called them.
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It's on Amazon ...
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There is now also a legal Realbook series, royalties/licensing paid.
Hal Leonard publishing releases that one.
It should state so on the thing somewhere.
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Was referring to the 'realbook software' thang.
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Used to be guys from here drove the 120 miles to Toronto and you got the thing in a book store in a plain brown wrapper. They had to start somewhere. If I stack up my music books in one pile the ceiling would not be high enough. I'm not suggesting I'm a prude, but, if I am playing it I have it in a legit book. And the rooms I play pay Socan fees. So if it's in band in a box, it's the chords only, and I have the original. The only time the melody is there is so I can transpose it to Basso Profundo. I then print it, note the book and page it's on in my music book collection, and go from there.
As for the people who bought the book, you have to start somewhere. I won't throw stones.
I'm happy with my method, and not prepared to pass judgment on anyone else....
Now that I'm retired music is 80 percent of my life...I think the other 20 percent is taking pills and going to the doctor LOL.
Amazon just dropped off the latest CD, the very best of Vera Lynn. Took 6 weeks to get it. That ought to occupy me for a while. I bet $100 I end up at the piano playing along to White Cliffs of Dover...
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I was taught by the old school gigging pros that charts of any kind, Realbook included, were fine for practicing at home, but when and if you attempted to join them on the stage "downtown" at the gig -- you'd better be ready to play the song without the book. I'm taling combo work and not bigband, of course.
Am recalling this one old practitioner of the art who used to say, "You gotta know it way down here" (patting his heart).
That kind of memorization changes everything, actually. Improvisation takes on a completely different aspect once you "KNOW" the target tune inside and out like that.
The memory recall of those performers was phenomenal, too. And key signature did not bother them at all. If the singer wanted Cottontail to be in the key of B Major -- that is what they played.
Work towards not needing the chart onstage.
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Good advice for new musicians. Some of us duffers have to accept the limitations. I should have learned to play by ear, never did. Was too busy with 5 kids, 2 jobs, and lots of other stuff.
I set 3 priorities every day. If I had the chance to do it over I'd have dropped the 3 times weekly fire department hockey, saved my teeth, and practiced music. Or not...
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The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!
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