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#690186 12/11/21 09:23 AM
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Hi all,

I currently have BIAB 2021 UltraPak and really loving it. There is now an upgrade to 2022 UltraPak offered for $149 until 12/31/21, with a free Bonus Pak. I'm looking for opinions if this a worthwhile purchase. Also if the Bonus Pak is the same as the 49 Pak. Thanks and I look forward to hearing anyone's thoughts.

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There are two Bonus PAKs, the 0 Bonus PAK and the 49 Bonus PAK. While the sale is in place, the 0 Bonus PAK is included with the purchase. The 49 Bonus PAK costs $49 US extra.

When you have the 2021 Plus PAK then the $99 +++ Plus PAK +++ gives you all the new for 2022 package content.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
There are two Bonus PAKs, the 0 Bonus PAK and the 49 Bonus PAK. While the sale is in place, the 0 Bonus PAK is included with the purchase. The 49 Bonus PAK costs $49 US extra.

When you have the 2021 Plus PAK then the $99 +++ Plus PAK +++ gives you all the new for 2022 package content.


HeyJim! Thanks for the reply. I'm not sure I totally understand, but it seems like you're saying that as I own the 2020 UltaPak, I should just buy the PlusPak for 99, and it will give me everything I would get with getting the 2022 UltaPak upgrade for 149, the free bonus Pak plus buying the 49 Bonus PAk for 49? Is that right?


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
There are two Bonus PAKs, the 0 Bonus PAK and the 49 Bonus PAK. While the sale is in place, the 0 Bonus PAK is included with the purchase. The 49 Bonus PAK costs $49 US extra.

When you have the 2021 Plus PAK then the $99 +++ Plus PAK +++ gives you all the new for 2022 package content.



I still don't understand how much BIAB contains
All I know is that the real orbit is 1-400
Then there's Xtra styles Pak 1-12
XPro Styles PAK1,XPro Styles PAK2
What other packages do you have? I don't know
I wonder if there is a simple list


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Originally Posted By: swingbabymix
I still don't understand how much BIAB contains
All I know is that the real orbit is 1-400
Then there's Xtra styles Pak 1-12
XPro Styles PAK1,XPro Styles PAK2
What other packages do you have? I don't know
I wonder if there is a simple list

In BiaB, select Help > What Addons Do I have, and it will show you what you have and what you don't have.


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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack

In BiaB, select Help > What Addons Do I have, and it will show you what you have and what you don't have.



I saw it. But don't official or unofficial have a simple list
It can be seen that BIAB has accumulated for so many years.
I think the website is always included in realtrack, and then included in 49pak. I'm confused
ha-ha


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PlusPAK = $99 (New for 2022 package content)
0 BonusPAK = $0 (Additional content not in any package)
49PAK = $49 (Additional content not in any package)


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Thanks Jim!


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HI Boots,

Potential upgrades for you,

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Where can I see all the Pak lists of BIAB?


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Originally Posted By: swingbabymix
Where can I see all the Pak lists of BIAB?


https://www.pgmusic.com/addons.php?os=win


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Thanks Musiclover.
Going to get the 49 PAK
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HI Boots,

Potential upgrades for you,



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I upgraded from 2021 to 2022 and I was not happy and requested a refund. For $149 I think I should have received more.
I really hate the way they do their PAK's. I end up just liking 1 or 2 styles. Just my opinion and nothing against any Jazz lover but PG Music is very heavy with these styles. You purchase a PAk for $79 which in my opinion very highly priced and you get 10% of styles you can realy use. Just my opinion. Right now I will stick with 2021 and the styles I have.

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Originally Posted By: Boots49
Thanks Musiclover.
Going to get the 49 PAK
Originally Posted By: musiclover
HI Boots,

Potential upgrades for you,



Good choice Boots, great upgrade this year, hope you are enjoying it as much as I am.

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Originally Posted By: Steve350
I upgraded from 2021 to 2022 and I was not happy and requested a refund. For $149 I think I should have received more.
I really hate the way they do their PAK's. I end up just liking 1 or 2 styles. Just my opinion and nothing against any Jazz lover but PG Music is very heavy with these styles. You purchase a PAk for $79 which in my opinion very highly priced and you get 10% of styles you can realy use. Just my opinion. Right now I will stick with 2021 and the styles I have.


Not going to disagree with your opinion Steve, but this years upgrade has been viewed by most as a major upgrade to biab, especially the Mircro-chords features, not to mention the re-designed Multi-Riffs etc.

For $99 you could have got all that and more, but its your choice at end of the day.

Hope you have a good Christmas.


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Originally Posted By: Steve350
I upgraded from 2021 to 2022 and I was not happy and requested a refund. For $149 I think I should have received more.
I really hate the way they do their PAK's. I end up just liking 1 or 2 styles. Just my opinion and nothing against any Jazz lover but PG Music is very heavy with these styles. You purchase a PAk for $79 which in my opinion very highly priced and you get 10% of styles you can realy use. Just my opinion. Right now I will stick with 2021 and the styles I have.


Should you want the new features, there is the program only upgrade.

One point to consider, the program only upgrade is generally only available during a new release sale.

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The irony here is that whatever genre you like, you will probably think there was too much development in genres other than yours. BIAB started with jazz, but it's been quite awhile since that was the main focus. This year was more emphasis on blues than usual.


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Originally Posted By: musiclover
Originally Posted By: Steve350
I upgraded from 2021 to 2022 and I was not happy and requested a refund. For $149 I think I should have received more.
I really hate the way they do their PAK's. I end up just liking 1 or 2 styles. Just my opinion and nothing against any Jazz lover but PG Music is very heavy with these styles. You purchase a PAk for $79 which in my opinion very highly priced and you get 10% of styles you can realy use. Just my opinion. Right now I will stick with 2021 and the styles I have.


Not going to disagree with your opinion Steve, but this years upgrade has been viewed by most as a major upgrade to biab, especially the Mircro-chords features, not to mention the re-designed Multi-Riffs etc.

For $99 you could have got all that and more, but its your choice at end of the day.

Hope you have a good Christmas.


I agree 100% about the micro chords and the Multi-Riffs but $149 after I spent $299 upgrading to 2021 is kind of ridicious. I think the PAKS are very confusing and I don't use 75% of the styles that come in that PAK. I wish they would just come out with 100% ROCk PAKS that are affordable. They should follow the way Toontrack and IK Multimedia does it.
I was forced to purchase the ULTRA PAK and I will never use 75% of those styles. It should not be like that. That's all I am saying.

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you can buy xtra styles by genre cheaper but that's an expensive way of buying them if you want two sets - say country and rock and pop. its cheaper to buy the lot rather than just two genres

see here
https://www.pgmusic.com/xtrastyles.php?pak=all&os=win#rock-pop-12

but most of us find that genres overlap - a pop or rock style works in country and vice versa

i don't use an awful lot of the styles but i think of them as 'virtually free' with the styles i actually want and maybe some day i'll use them




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I hear what you are saying. But for me to purchase just the ones I want like the Rock PAKS 15-17 it will cost $237 and I am only getting 23 styles.

That's $17/style.

I just think it's a rip off.

I'm done with this subject, PG really doesn't care what I have to say. Thanks for your feedback.

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Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.

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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

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