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Hi all...

It's beginning to feel like I'm spending more time trying to get stuff to work than I am making music. Very frustrating to be sure.

Here's the latest head scratcher:

I've done a song in BIAB made up of 4 MIDI instruments and 1 audio instrument. (realdrums) Everything is sounding great.

My next move is to bring the song into my DAW - Reaper - with the PG plugin. It all goes in where it should.
However, I can't hear any of the MIDI tracks - only the audio track (realdrums) The meters are all moving in the MIDI tracks, I can record in the MIDI tracks but I just can't hear anything.
This problem is the same in Cakewalk and RealBand.
I can bring Sample Tank 4 into Reaper and Cakewalk and it records and sounds as it should, and I can hear and edit the MIDI notes I have created.

Any help would be so appreciated

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The plugin can playback MIDI so that is why you see the meters move. However, by default the plugin MIDI soft synth is disabled so the sounds the plugin generates will not conflict with the sounds the DAW MIDI soft synth generates.

Go to File > Preferences > DAW Settings then scroll down. Enable the Embedded Synth.

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Hi Jim... thanks so much for your help...

It seems that my BIAB plugin doesn't have the option you show me in your picture... the "enable the Embedded Synth" option isn't showing in my version of the BIAB plugin.






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I believe Jim may be showing a recent beta which is still being debugged. Stay tuned.


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Yeah... Jim's screenshot doesn't look like mine. Not sure what to do next?

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Hi bobbyt9999, what version of the plugin are you running? In the new versions it is written at the bottom left of the plugin. Alternatively you could go to File | About, and the version number will also display there.


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Bobby, I'm using version 4 that is part of the 2022 release. I suspect you may have version 3 introduced in 2021.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Bobby, I'm using version 4 that is part of the 2022 release. I suspect you may have version 3 introduced in 2021.


That would actually be good news since BIAB-VST V3 (most updated version) works better with Reaper than the new BIAB-VST V4.


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Bobby, version 4 is part of the 2022 release and is not available separately.

I understand not wanting to upgrade since you have 2021.

Perhaps the 2022 program only upgrade will work for you. I asked Sales early exactly what is in the program only upgrade and was told it is Band-in-a-Box, RealBand and the Plugin. However, I would verify that before agreeing to purchase.

Traditionally the program only upgrade is available only during the release sale.

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And so, I just bought the 2022 Program upgrade. And you were right, it was $49... $56CAD.

Again, thanks... I'll let you know how I make out with the new plugin. grin

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I understand what your saying Bobby. However, in PG Music's defense, the plugin relies on Band-in-a-Box running as a background task to perform many of it's functions. RealBand also relies on Band-in-a-Box running as a background task to perform it's functions related to Band-in-a-Box features. That's why Band-in-a-Box, RealBand and the plugin are all released at the same time.


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Originally Posted By: bobbyt9999
Opps... Sorry, Jim... I posted before I read your last post.

I'm going to check out the upgrade options. But I still don't think it's very fair to have to pay for the plugin.

Thanks for all your help regarding this matter. So much appreciated!!!

/Bobby


I'm not trying to start a war but other companies do the same thing. When Kontakt upgrades you must buy it to get the VST. Kontakt's free updates include VST's updates, just like PGM does with their free updates.


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Hi Mario... No fear, there's not gonna be any wars starting. I'm usually a pretty easy going old fella grin

If you noticed, I took down the rant that I posted because at the time I was understanding that I was going to need to pay $179USD in order to get the newer plugin. Thankfully Jim pointed out that I could just upgrade the program, plugin included, for $49USD - $56CAD. So, my bad for jumping the gun too quickly.

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And now... to get this thread back on topic...

It saddens me to say that the newer plugin hasn't cleared up my problem of not hearing my BIAB midi tracks in Reaper or Cakewalk. The sounds are there but just can't be heard. There's just one audio track in my song (drums) and that can be heard. Obviously I'm still not getting some setting right. I'll post another screen shot in a bit.

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Bobby,

I hope you will discover some of the features introduced this year like motifs and micro-chords help make the program upgrade a worthy purchase. I'm glad to see the program upgrade includes RealBand and the plugin.

I'm looking forward to hearing your music!


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Hi Jim... yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff in the 2022 version that I'm going to love. To be honest, I really don't mind the $49 charge to upgrade at all. I'm sure that it's well worth it.

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BIAB-VST 3.0 was working in Reaper, but has been broken with V4.0. We are waiting on a fix. I pointed that out earlier today in this tread. So you were warned.

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Thanks for this, Dan.

I can now see that a fix to version 4 is needed and I take comfort in knowing that it's in the process of being fixed. Now, when I bring my BIAB song into Reaper or Cakewalk, I open the BIAB file in the plugin, and then generate the song within the plugin, it just abruptly shuts down either Reaper or Cakewalk.

And yes, you were very correct when you say that I you forewarned me that version 4 has a few bugs. I can be a very impulsive buyer sometimes. I see something and I just HAVE to have it without doing even any basic researching on it.

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Bobby, is it after dragging the MIDI into Reaper that the audio didn't play? If so, that is normal. Reaper doesn't automatically assign an instrument or plugin to a track, so the MIDI has nothing to play through. You mentioned that adding Sampletank caused it to work, right? That's what you'd need to do for each track.

As for version 4.0.0 not working in Reaper, the developers are aware of the issues and are looking into them.


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