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I've been following this thread with interest because I mentioned the same problem with my Sonic Cell last month. The GM bank sounds pretty good anyway so I've just been using that but I would like to use the higher patches consistently as well. I'm not real good with the whole msb/lsb thing so I don't know if the problem has been me or what but this thread gives me hope. Whatever it is, It looks like if you guys can get it working with the Ketron and post the details, I can probably figure it out with my SC too.

Bob

All info has been sent to Peter & Andrew and we await their response.
There is a work around for the SOLOIST. If you're going to use Upper Bank Patches for the soloist you need to do these steps.
1. open the soloist
2. choose the soloist you want
3. set the instrument to"no change"
4. generate the soloist
5. Choose your patch from the upper bank patches .pat file screen
6. save the song with save+

It APPEARS that the other instruments are OK. What is needed is when a custom patch is used all of the CC & patch data is stripped out. What's happening now is the patch data is stripped but the MSB is not. The data for the GM instrument selected in the soloist is generated after the custom patc data so it resets the custom patch to a GM patch. That's why at this point set the soloist Inst. to "no change"

When I get home from my weekly (weakly) Wednesday breakfast meeting I'm going to try that with my vocal harmonizer. I did most of it but you have a step there I didn't try. Crossing me fingers.

OK, ye olde midi gurus.

I take a song, no notes in the Soloist. I set the soloist to ch 5 Midi. My Midi 5 is set on the voicelive, and chords are going out as triads on Midi 5 at volume 1. What you see below is what I get from the Midi Monitor. I stuck the 32 in after the count in and 2 bar lead, which shows as Event 30, and that puts the voicelive where I want it, at preset 32 which is 3 harmonies above. Fine. Below is Event 30 that I inserted using F5 at the bar I wanted a harmony changed and it worked, although I get preset 32 as I mentioned.

30 9212 1 C4 1F Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 31

However somewhere in the mix, on each verse there is a Program change to 109 and that sends the box to patch 99 (the highest one), which is a distorted voice and I don't want it. But if select the soloist track where I put the Program change to 31 which gives 32, push the = sign at the bar to display what is on the track is blank.
Nada there. That's odd in itself. Following line 30 I'll post the first few bars of midi stuff, why is all that stuff there? Remember I have the chords as triads set to go out on 5 so the notes I'd expect to see. I have the volume on them set to 1, going to set the to zero later, because for some reason I can hear faint chords playing on the clicks before the 1st bar....



Evt # Time (mS) Source Raw Status Chan Data 1 Data 2
1 0 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
2 0 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
3 1 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
4 1 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
5 1 1 C4 18 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 24
6 1 1 B4 07 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #7 Main Volume MSB CC Value = 0
7 2 1 B4 5B 55 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #91 Reverb Depth CC Value = 85
8 2 1 B4 5D 1E Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #93 Chorus Depth CC Value = 30
9 2 1 B4 0A 01 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #10 Pan MSB CC Value = 1
10 2 1 B4 7A 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #122 Local Control CC Value =127
11 2 1 B4 7A 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #122 Local Control CC Value =127
12 2 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
13 3 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
14 3 1 C4 18 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 24
15 3 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0
16 3 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0
17 451 1 94 2B 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 1
18 451 1 94 2F 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 1
19 451 1 94 32 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 1
20 452 1 94 35 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = F 4 53 Velocity = 1
21 2166 1 94 2B 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 0
22 2166 1 94 2F 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 0
23 2167 1 94 32 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 0
24 2167 1 94 35 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = F 4 53 Velocity = 0
25 2167 1 94 24 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = C 3 36 Velocity = 1
26 2167 1 94 28 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 3 40 Velocity = 1
27 2167 1 94 2B 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 1
28 9212 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
29 9212 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
30 9212 1 C4 1F Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 31
31 11306 1 94 24 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = C 3 36 Velocity = 0
32 11306 1 94 28 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 3 40 Velocity = 0
33 11306 1 94 2B 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 0
34 11306 1 94 2B 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 1
35 11307 1 94 2F 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 1
36 11307 1 94 32 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 1
37 11307 1 94 35 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = F 4 53 Velocity = 1
38 13784 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
39 13784 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
40 13784 1 C4 1F Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 31
41 15879 1 94 2B 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 0
42 15879 1 94 2F 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 0
43 15879 1 94 32 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 0
44 15879 1 94 35 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = F 4 53 Velocity = 0
45 15880 1 94 24 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = C 3 36 Velocity = 1
46 15880 1 94 28 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 3 40 Velocity = 1
47 15880 1 94 2B 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 1
48 16068 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
49 16068 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
50 16068 1 C4 6D Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 109
51 16948 1 94 24 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = C 3 36 Velocity = 0
52 16948 1 94 28 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 3 40 Velocity = 0
53 16948 1 94 2B 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 0
54 16948 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0
55 16948 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0
56 16949 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0
57 16949 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0
58 16949 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0
59 16949 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0
60 16972 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0
61 16972 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0
62 16972 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0
63 16972 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0
64 16972 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0
65 16972 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

John,
I set my soloist to send on channel 5 and the chord output thing in prefs is also at 5. I inserted a program change 32 into the soloist at bar 1 EVT 39.At that point I just get chords until I hit stop.

Evt # Time (mS) Source Raw Status Chan Data 1 Data 2

1 1 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

2 2 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

3 2 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

4 3 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

5 3 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

6 3 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

7 3 1 C4 00 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 0

8 3 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

9 3 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

10 3 1 C4 18 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 24

11 4 1 B4 07 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #7 Main Volume MSB CC Value =127

12 4 1 B4 07 5A Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #7 Main Volume MSB CC Value = 90

13 4 1 B4 5B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #91 Reverb Depth CC Value = 0

14 4 1 B4 5B 28 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #91 Reverb Depth CC Value = 40

15 4 1 B4 5D 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #93 Chorus Depth CC Value = 0

16 4 1 B4 5D 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #93 Chorus Depth CC Value = 0

17 4 1 B4 0A 40 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #10 Pan MSB CC Value = 64

18 5 1 B4 0A 40 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #10 Pan MSB CC Value = 64

19 5 1 B4 7A 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #122 Local Control CC Value =127

20 5 1 FA Song Start ($FA)

21 5 1 B4 7A 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #122 Local Control CC Value =127

22 5 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

23 5 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

24 5 1 C4 00 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 0

25 6 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

26 6 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

27 6 1 C4 18 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 24

28 6 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

29 7 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

30 424 1 94 2B 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 1

31 424 1 94 2F 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 1

32 424 1 94 32 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 1

33 4623 1 94 2B 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 0

34 4624 1 94 2F 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 0

35 4624 1 94 32 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 0

36 4624 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

37 4624 1 94 31 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 1

38 4624 1 94 34 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 1

39 4823 1 C4 1F Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 31

40 9420 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

41 9420 1 94 31 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 0

42 9420 1 94 34 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 0

43 9424 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

44 9424 1 94 31 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 1

45 9424 1 94 34 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 1

46 9424 1 94 37 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 4 55 Velocity = 1

47 11823 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

48 11823 1 94 31 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 0

49 11823 1 94 34 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 0

50 11824 1 94 37 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 4 55 Velocity = 0

51 11824 1 94 26 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 3 38 Velocity = 1

52 11824 1 94 2A 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Gb 3 42 Velocity = 1

53 11824 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

54 23823 1 94 26 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 3 38 Velocity = 0

55 23823 1 94 2A 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Gb 3 42 Velocity = 0

56 23823 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

57 23823 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

58 23826 1 94 31 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 1

59 23827 1 94 34 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 1

60 31020 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

61 31023 1 94 31 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 0

62 31023 1 94 34 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 0

63 31023 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

64 31024 1 94 31 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 1

65 31024 1 94 34 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 1

66 31024 1 94 37 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 4 55 Velocity = 1

67 33425 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

68 33425 1 94 31 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 0

69 33425 1 94 34 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 0

70 33425 1 94 37 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 4 55 Velocity = 0

71 33426 1 94 26 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 3 38 Velocity = 1

72 33426 1 94 2A 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Gb 3 42 Velocity = 1

73 33426 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

74 39699 1 94 26 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 3 38 Velocity = 0

75 39699 1 94 2A 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Gb 3 42 Velocity = 0

76 39699 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

77 39700 1 FC Song Stop ($FC)

78 39700 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

79 39700 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

80 39700 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

81 39700 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

82 39704 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

83 39705 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

84 39705 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

85 39705 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

86 39705 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

87 39705 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

88 39705 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

89 39706 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

90 39706 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

91 39706 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

92 39706 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

93 39706 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

94 39707 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

95 39707 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

96 39707 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

97 39707 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

Here I put the change were it should be. In the count in. Note it's changed to 31 before any notes. Again the only thing I get are chords until I hit stop and then you get the all notes off and everything reset.

Evt # Time (mS) Source Raw Status Chan Data 1 Data 2

1 2 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

2 2 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

3 3 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

4 3 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

5 3 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

6 3 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

7 3 1 C4 00 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 0

8 3 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

9 3 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

10 4 1 C4 18 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 24

11 4 1 B4 07 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #7 Main Volume MSB CC Value =127

12 4 1 B4 07 5A Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #7 Main Volume MSB CC Value = 90

13 4 1 B4 5B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #91 Reverb Depth CC Value = 0

14 4 1 B4 5B 28 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #91 Reverb Depth CC Value = 40

15 4 1 B4 5D 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #93 Chorus Depth CC Value = 0

16 5 1 B4 5D 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #93 Chorus Depth CC Value = 0

17 5 1 B4 0A 40 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #10 Pan MSB CC Value = 64

18 5 1 B4 0A 40 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #10 Pan MSB CC Value = 64

19 5 1 B4 7A 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #122 Local Control CC Value =127

20 5 1 FA Song Start ($FA)

21 5 1 B4 7A 7F Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #122 Local Control CC Value =127

22 5 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

23 5 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

24 5 1 C4 00 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 0

25 6 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0

26 6 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0

27 6 1 C4 18 Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 24

28 6 1 C4 1F Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 31

29 6 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

30 7 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

31 57 1 C4 1F Program Change ($Cx) 5 Program = 31

32 428 1 94 2B 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 1

33 429 1 94 2F 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 1

34 429 1 94 32 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 1

35 4629 1 94 2B 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 3 43 Velocity = 0

36 4629 1 94 2F 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = B 3 47 Velocity = 0

37 4629 1 94 32 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 4 50 Velocity = 0

38 4629 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

39 4629 1 94 31 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 1

40 4630 1 94 34 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 1

41 9429 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

42 9429 1 94 31 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 0

43 9429 1 94 34 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 0

44 9430 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

45 9430 1 94 31 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 1

46 9430 1 94 34 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 1

47 9430 1 94 37 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 4 55 Velocity = 1

48 11829 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

49 11829 1 94 31 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Db 4 49 Velocity = 0

50 11829 1 94 34 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = E 4 52 Velocity = 0

51 11829 1 94 37 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = G 4 55 Velocity = 0

52 11829 1 94 26 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 3 38 Velocity = 1

53 11829 1 94 2A 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Gb 3 42 Velocity = 1

54 11829 1 94 2D 01 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 1

55 20663 1 94 26 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = D 3 38 Velocity = 0

56 20664 1 94 2A 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = Gb 3 42 Velocity = 0

57 20664 1 94 2D 00 Note On ($9x) 5 Pitch = A 3 45 Velocity = 0

58 20664 1 FC Song Stop ($FC)

59 20664 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

60 20664 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

61 20665 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

62 20665 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

63 20665 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

64 20665 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

65 20666 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

66 20666 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

67 20666 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

68 20666 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

69 20667 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

70 20667 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

71 20667 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

72 20667 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

73 20667 1 B4 7B 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #123 All Notes Off CC Value = 0

74 20668 1 B4 40 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #64 Sustain Pedal CC Value = 0

75 20668 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

76 20668 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

77 20668 1 B4 01 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #1 Mod Wheel MSB CC Value = 0

78 20668 1 E4 00 40 Pitch Bend ($Ex) 5 Bend = 0

When a soloist is generated, (MIDI soloist on the Soloist track), patch changes are embedded on the track. So then, if you put a Ketron Higher Bank patch change on the track, it will get over-ridden by the patch changes that are embedded in the Soloist track.

To overcome this, BB is currently stripping out the embedded patch changes (when you change the patch for the track), **but not the bank changes** from the soloist track.

So that would result in a MIDI soloist generated part being stuck using bank 0, regardless of the patch that you set.

That'll be fixed in the next build, so that both embedded changes of patch ** and bank ** get stripped out from a track when you change the patch.

Thanks, once we get this sorted out, I'm going to post some great songs with changes using the voicelive. The limit of 4 programmable buttons as presets will allow the device to shine. I don't need any commission when the orders roll in, the fun I've had with the thing so far ought to be illegal.

I thought the Bose system was getting rave reviews, once I stick this piece of gear in the mix it's a show-stopper.

I think I have a problem similar to the ones being discussed in this thread and maybe this is the place to find some help or at least some commiseration.

I have a new lappy with 64-bit W7 dedicated just to working on music and performing. I bought the new 2010 with Real Band. Based on the raves for the TTS-1 synth's sounds on PG forums and from PG techs, I bought the Music Creator-5 to get the TTS.

I started having problems almost immediately. I thought they were caused by something to do with heavy pitch bends, but now I think there are always bank change entires involved. I have about 500 strictly midi files I carry to every job. I have been trying to play them through Real Band and the TTS.

Some files with bank changes don't play correctly - usually an instrument setting is changed to a piano. In one file I have four channels changed; in another almost all were changed in a Big Band 16 channel file. If I go on immediately to a subsequent file one or more channels in that file are also affected - usually a drum to a piano.

I have talked to Kent at PG Music. He has not been able to replicate the problem. I have talked to people on the Cakewalk forum about the TTS. They believe it is not a TTS problem at all as they have many W7 64-bit users who are not reporting problems. They believe it is a problem with the way Real Band implements upper bank changes that causes the TTS sounds to be incorrrect.

It seems that all the files play correctly when I use MME and the midi mapper. And all the files played correctly through the VSC in my Win 98 and through the VSC/DXi in my XP computer.

The TTS sounds are so intense I also seem to have hung notes and bleeding of high pitched sounds between files if all the resets are not loaded at the end and beginning of files. What do you think? Can we get more PG help with this?

W.Scott
First were are you in NC. I'm in Murphy.
OK have you used these files before? With what?

Hi, I live in Traphill, NC. That is north of Wilkesboro. I see you are way southwest. We have been here since Dec. 2002 and love it. My wife's mom and dad were born here.

I have used many of the files in question for years. They have been played most recently in the little laptop I have used to perform from for the past two years: Windows 98 OS, VSC synth or Roland SD-20 sound module. I also play them through my PC with Windows XP and VSC/DXi. They are played out of PT Pro on the PC and a Cakewalk program on the lappy. They have always played accurately from these platforms.

I got the new W7 64-bit in December and bought the new BIAB 2010 and Real Band the day it was released. Then, shortly thereafter, I bought the Music Creator 5 to get the TTS. When I started playing the files thorough RB and the TTS the problems began.

Thank you for your time and help! Scott

That's very odd. How do they play if you substitute the VSC or SD20 for the TTS? I have all 3 and have never noticed a difference.

When I play the files through the VSC and the SD-20 on the old laptop they sound fine. I play the files through the VSC/DXi on my PC with Windows XP and they sound fine. I can play the files through the W7 64-bit new laptop and they sound fine as long as I switch off the TTS and use the midi mapper. They sound fine this way over the little speakers I have on my desk and also sound fine when played through the SD-20 with my large speakers in the basement!? Scott

So your saying it all boils down to the TTS?

Herb, I'm an old guy who can barely use a computer. So I can't say what the cause really is. For my system the TTS plays some sort of part in the problem. The guys on the Calkwalk forum say TTS works great and they have never heard reports of problems with any system. They think it is related to the way PG software implements bank changes or errors in bank change controllers. I don't know. I just hoped that the PG people would look at this while they are researching whatever situation you have brought to their attention with your bank change problems. I just want the pain to go away! Ha!

You must be old. My name is John not Herb!
To help me help you first do this. Don't use BIAB. First using the new Win7 lappy, the TTS & Power Tracks or Real Band. See if your MIDI files play correctly. Report back.