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I've recently found that some 6/8 songs are really good. Singing feels like chatting and telling. I think it sounds better than 4/4.

Also, why do I use a 12/8 accompaniment to sing a 6/8 song?

For example, what I edited in BIAB is 6/8, but it is changed to 12/8, so I can still sing. Even I think 12/8 is more suitable.


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BiaB doesn't really do 6/8 or 12/8.

Any sw8 (swing 8th note) style can be used in a 6/8 or 12/8 song. Depending on the style, some may be fantastic and others might not work at all.

Each basic, numbered, cell in the BiaB matrix can hold 3 or 4 beats. You can force 1 or 2 with the F5 command.

If your cell is 4 beats, and the style has sw8 there are potentially 12 beats there, as we often take 12/8 time signatures in 4. So the cell is a 12/8 bar of music. That cell same cell can also be two 6/8 bars of music (taken in 2).

So if your 6/8 style is taken in two, you can consider that cell two 6/8 bars of music. Or you can use the F5 command to change the beats in a bar to 2, and then each cell is one 6/8 bar.

Another creative way around this, especially for 6/8 styles that are taken in 6 instead of 2, is to use an appropriate waltz style (if there is one). In that case, each BiaB cell becomes one half a 6/8 bar or music.

BiaB is a very flexible app, and these are a couple of ways to expand the flexibility.

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Notes Norton's method is one that we would highly recommend! We do have some 6/8 Styles included in the newest versions of Band-in-a-Box and hope to add more. If there are specific 6/8 Styles you would like to see in the future, please share them in our Wishlist forums here: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=6&page=1


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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
BiaB doesn't really do 6/8 or 12/8.

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BiaB is a very flexible app, and these are a couple of ways to expand the flexibility.

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I agree but IMHO I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV


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Originally Posted By: MarioD
..I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV


Yes, as it don't fit when I set Reaper to 6/8
This all needs to be fixed in the BBPlugin/Standalone this year to give "Look Ma RealTimeSignatures", I think Biab could be too far gone to fix now ?


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..I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV


Yes, as it don't fit when I set Reaper to 6/8
This all needs to be fixed in the BBPlugin/Standalone this year to give "Look Ma RealTimeSignatures", I think Biab could be too far gone to fix now ?
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Same here when I put them in Studio One Pro.

It would be nice to see them in the VST. I think you are right about BiaB.


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BiaB doesn't really do 6/8 or 12/8.

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BiaB is a very flexible app, and these are a couple of ways to expand the flexibility.

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I agree but IMHO I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV


I think the problem is that BiaB started in the DOS days, when personal computing was still in its infancy. I'm guessing this was the best way to make things work back then.

PG Music has always been about back-compatibility.

What would happen to all the songs and styles we have if PG music should do a whole re-write and render our collections obsolete? Would it render our present styles and songs obsolete?

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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton
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I think the problem is that BiaB started in the DOS days, when personal computing was still in its infancy. I'm guessing this was the best way to make things work back then.

PG Music has always been about back-compatibility.

What would happen to all the songs and styles we have if PG music should do a whole re-write and render our collections obsolete? Would it render our present styles and songs obsolete?

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In all due respect a complete rewrite does not have to eliminate all previous styles or songs. It could just add to them.

BiaB has a goldmine in RTs however on the MIDI side there are a number of individual MIDI programs that blow BiaB out of the water, especially when it comes to time signatures, which is very important when transferring a MIDI song to a DAW. No one yet has put a total package together like BiaB, JJazz Lab comes close, but I believe it is just a matter of time. YMMV


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The Biab Plugin Standalone is an excellent way to get rid of the all the DOS restrictions from Biab rather than the nightmare of a Biab total rewrite. I can see no reason why the styles should not be backward compatible. It will trim Biab down to a light non bloated version that's easier to learn. Because of the cross platform programming this could then be released at the same time on Win and Mac, also being self contained (not using bbw4 in the background) it would work on Linux with the available Win VST bridges.
Because there are so many more Win users buying Biab they have to fork out the bill to spend so much time and money on the Mac version because of apple constantly changing things to profiteer with total disregard for continual app compatibility (unlike Win where old apps just keep working over the decades and you don't need a different OS version for each app) and for software developers having to spend so much time and money bowing down to apple to make apps compatible for a new monthly OS release for a short lived experience each time there is a change, time can be spent on the BBPlugin to give play direct and instant generate times so users don't have to first build up the song in Biab main app but can be instantly generated up faster than Biab in the VST version or the BBPlugin Standalone as has been demonstrated in the Biab Track Injector for REAPER.
Not to mention a Biab Live Arranger that can be made using this method.
All that would have to bring PG into the future, wouldn't it ?
I could of followed apple and got my ideas made made up in china for $5 and sell them for $500 but I just give them freely to PG.

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Originally Posted By: MarioD
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In all due respect a complete rewrite does not have to eliminate all previous styles or songs. It could just add to them.<...>

I don't know that much about it, it was only a guess.

Another guess.

Bring the app into the 21st century with real time signatures, long file names, up to 16 chords per bar without going through a micro-chord function, add at least 240ppq in the MIDI (or even better 960), and whatever other improvements people have in their wish list. Then write and include a conversion app to convert the old song and style files to the new system.

Again a guess.

Possible?

Probable?

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Then write and include a conversion app to convert the old song and style files to the new system.

That would be my approach, but it does leave an issue with, for example, transferring songs from the new version BiaB to band members with older version.

One answer to that might be to offer a very competitive upgrade from older versions to the new; one answer may be to allow export or conversion to the older format, subject to the limitations of the older format, but personally I think that's just making things messy again.

If a seamless conversion is wanted, then the external conversion program could just be run BiaB.


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Originally Posted By: Notes Norton

I don't know that much about it, it was only a guess.

.................... Then write and include a conversion app to convert the old song and style files to the new system.

Again a guess.

Possible?

Probable?

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Yes, my idea was only a guess also so I apologize if it was taken as fact.

I would be extremely happy if someone wrote conversion app now to convert time signatures. Make it a third party or separate app to convert BiaB files to the correct time signature for transferring songs to a DAW.

Probable? Probably not but I can dream!


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Was just having a go at fitting these to the actual real time signature.
I tried the 54_SWING.STY 5/4 over 1 bar and I add 25% to the tempo in Biab that is 130bpm based on 4/4 I get 162.5bpm so I set REAPER to that then the audio will fit if it has no Acid info added.
The midi I had to set the playrate to 0.8

If I have a 12/8 style spread over 2 bars @120bpm I set REAPER to 90bpm -25%
The midi I had to set the playrate to 1.333
If it's over 1 bar then set tempo to 180bpm
The midi I had to set the playrate to 0.666




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One answer to that might be to offer a very competitive upgrade from older versions to the new


PG Music offers a program only update during each new release sale. If the program only upgrade for $49 US doesn't work I'm not sure what will.

Perhaps PG Music could offer the program only update throughout the year. When you consider the discount during a sale is about 40 percent the program only update would cost about $69 when the update is not on sale.


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One answer to that might be to offer a very competitive upgrade from older versions to the new


PG Music offers a program only update during each new release sale. If the program only upgrade for $49 US doesn't work I'm not sure what will.

Perhaps PG Music could offer the program only update throughout the year. When you consider the discount during a sale is about 40 percent the program only update would cost about $69 when the update is not on sale.
People are sometimes dissuaded from an upgrade, partly because "I don't need/want the new features". I have a friend who hadn't updated for many years for that reason, but recently updated as he finally felt it was worthwhile. I don't know what scale of update he did.

A new more consistent, more ergonomic interface might be the push needed.
A new but different interface than needs learning over may be a strong dissuader.
Unfortunately I can't say which would be dominant for anyone but me. :-(


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A new more consistent, more ergonomic interface might be the push needed.
A new but different interface than needs learning over may be a strong dissuader.
Unfortunately I can't say which would be dominant for anyone but me. :-(


A good example of this is the QWERTY keyboard.

The QWERTY arrangement was designed to slow your speed of typing. In the early days of typewriters, fast typists would jam the keys, so QWERTY was invented.

A relative of the composer Antonin Dvorak invented the DVORAK keyboard system, which put the most used letters in the most favorable positions, allowing people to type quicker.

In the early days of PCs, there was a software switch to change your keyboard from the QWERTY to the DVORAK. But people already knew how to type on the QWERTY and didn't want to learn the new system.

Various transposing un-piano-keyboard synths have been proposed, but none of them have caught on either.

Most people comfortable with a complex skill are reluctant to go back to square one.

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Most people comfortable with a complex skill are reluctant to go back to square one.

... and that's a huge and important issue!

Over the years I've had to get work teams to use tools that are potentially "boring and useless". Things like bug-trackers, revision management, documentation tools, ISO9000, ...

I would not like to guess how much time I've spent finding the least unpleasant tools to use and how much time I've spent making it easy for the people who have to use them to see the value in them. If it's reasonably user-friendly and they see the benefits to themselves, people will change/adapt.

We've all had moments of "I can't be doing with this!".

It's difficult, and with good reason. Frustratingly, sometimes it's the most convoluted and arcane tools that are the hardest to change from, simply because they were so hard to learn in the first place.

Familiar hot-keys that one to a reasonably familiar place can help, though sometimes the hot-keys are so arcane that that only half helps.
Right-click on anything to see a menu of things one can do with that object is consistent and fairly friendly.

It may be just me, but I think some of BiaB's dialogs just have too much stuff in them. I'm not sure whether they need sub-dialogs, or just logical partitions into, say, panels.

There's a lot to be said for rapid-prototypes of straw-man(*) ideas.

(*)Hmm ... straw-non-gender-stereotypical-entity ideas. Pinata? :-)


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Regarding compound time signatures like 12/8 ( or 6/8 or 9/8


BiaB already supports 12/8. Including notation, and chord entry (using 3 MicroChords per beat).

For playback, it is treated as 4/4, because that’s how most musicians count it.
Here’s a good video explaining that https://youtu.be/SQbrGlyG-vw or this one https://youtu.be/cItjWpgDTTk


Same idea for 6/8 (which is like 2/4, assuming that the feel is two groups of 3) also supported in notation in BiaB.(with 3 MicroChords per beat)
And 9/8 (counted as 3/4 with 3 groups of triplets). BiaB, with 9/8 notation available; and 3 MicroChords per beat.


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Here's the 5/4 playing in REAPER. I set Biab to 96bpm to get 120bmp @5/4.
Where there are 4 chords in a bar they will occur on beat 1234 of 5
to get it on beat 5 you would need to use Micro Chords.
If you can work out a way of using the Micro Chords so they are not Micro Chord entry in a signature greater than 4 and have the actual tempo for that beat, count-ins and metronome.
Maybe you can work it out to match the DAW time signature as not everyone stays in Biab.
Maybe it's a can of worms I am opening and you just need to concentrate on the BBPlugin/Standalone mods ?


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Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 60 new features in this exciting release.

Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until December 31, 2025. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49. Browse the full contents of each package and listen to demos here.

XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!

The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!

Ready to take your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 experience to the next level? Now’s the perfect time! Expand your style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs—packed with a wide variety of genres to inspire your next musical creation.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!

Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

Get Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 19 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.

Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Don’t miss this chance to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box setup—at a great price!

Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!

It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!

We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!

Check out all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® here:

Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!

Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!

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