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I've recently found that some 6/8 songs are really good. Singing feels like chatting and telling. I think it sounds better than 4/4.
Also, why do I use a 12/8 accompaniment to sing a 6/8 song?
For example, what I edited in BIAB is 6/8, but it is changed to 12/8, so I can still sing. Even I think 12/8 is more suitable.
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BiaB doesn't really do 6/8 or 12/8.
Any sw8 (swing 8th note) style can be used in a 6/8 or 12/8 song. Depending on the style, some may be fantastic and others might not work at all.
Each basic, numbered, cell in the BiaB matrix can hold 3 or 4 beats. You can force 1 or 2 with the F5 command.
If your cell is 4 beats, and the style has sw8 there are potentially 12 beats there, as we often take 12/8 time signatures in 4. So the cell is a 12/8 bar of music. That cell same cell can also be two 6/8 bars of music (taken in 2).
So if your 6/8 style is taken in two, you can consider that cell two 6/8 bars of music. Or you can use the F5 command to change the beats in a bar to 2, and then each cell is one 6/8 bar.
Another creative way around this, especially for 6/8 styles that are taken in 6 instead of 2, is to use an appropriate waltz style (if there is one). In that case, each BiaB cell becomes one half a 6/8 bar or music.
BiaB is a very flexible app, and these are a couple of ways to expand the flexibility.
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Notes Norton's method is one that we would highly recommend! We do have some 6/8 Styles included in the newest versions of Band-in-a-Box and hope to add more. If there are specific 6/8 Styles you would like to see in the future, please share them in our Wishlist forums here: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=6&page=1
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BiaB doesn't really do 6/8 or 12/8.
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BiaB is a very flexible app, and these are a couple of ways to expand the flexibility.
Insights and incites by Notes ♫ I agree but IMHO I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV
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..I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV Yes, as it don't fit when I set Reaper to 6/8 This all needs to be fixed in the BBPlugin/Standalone this year to give "Look Ma RealTimeSignatures", I think Biab could be too far gone to fix now ? 
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..I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV Yes, as it don't fit when I set Reaper to 6/8 This all needs to be fixed in the BBPlugin/Standalone this year to give "Look Ma RealTimeSignatures", I think Biab could be too far gone to fix now ? .................... Same here when I put them in Studio One Pro. It would be nice to see them in the VST. I think you are right about BiaB.
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BiaB doesn't really do 6/8 or 12/8.
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BiaB is a very flexible app, and these are a couple of ways to expand the flexibility.
Insights and incites by Notes ♫ I agree but IMHO I think BiaB should do real 6/8, 12/8, 5/4, etc time signatures and not crush everything into 2/4, 3/4, or 4/4. YMMV I think the problem is that BiaB started in the DOS days, when personal computing was still in its infancy. I'm guessing this was the best way to make things work back then. PG Music has always been about back-compatibility. What would happen to all the songs and styles we have if PG music should do a whole re-write and render our collections obsolete? Would it render our present styles and songs obsolete? Insights and incites by Notes ♫
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I think the problem is that BiaB started in the DOS days, when personal computing was still in its infancy. I'm guessing this was the best way to make things work back then.
PG Music has always been about back-compatibility.
What would happen to all the songs and styles we have if PG music should do a whole re-write and render our collections obsolete? Would it render our present styles and songs obsolete?
Insights and incites by Notes ♫ In all due respect a complete rewrite does not have to eliminate all previous styles or songs. It could just add to them. BiaB has a goldmine in RTs however on the MIDI side there are a number of individual MIDI programs that blow BiaB out of the water, especially when it comes to time signatures, which is very important when transferring a MIDI song to a DAW. No one yet has put a total package together like BiaB, JJazz Lab comes close, but I believe it is just a matter of time. YMMV
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The Biab Plugin Standalone is an excellent way to get rid of the all the DOS restrictions from Biab rather than the nightmare of a Biab total rewrite. I can see no reason why the styles should not be backward compatible. It will trim Biab down to a light non bloated version that's easier to learn. Because of the cross platform programming this could then be released at the same time on Win and Mac, also being self contained (not using bbw4 in the background) it would work on Linux with the available Win VST bridges.
Because there are so many more Win users buying Biab they have to fork out the bill to spend so much time and money on the Mac version because of apple constantly changing things to profiteer with total disregard for continual app compatibility (unlike Win where old apps just keep working over the decades and you don't need a different OS version for each app) and for software developers having to spend so much time and money bowing down to apple to make apps compatible for a new monthly OS release for a short lived experience each time there is a change, time can be spent on the BBPlugin to give play direct and instant generate times so users don't have to first build up the song in Biab main app but can be instantly generated up faster than Biab in the VST version or the BBPlugin Standalone as has been demonstrated in the Biab Track Injector for REAPER.
Not to mention a Biab Live Arranger that can be made using this method.
All that would have to bring PG into the future, wouldn't it ?
I could of followed apple and got my ideas made made up in china for $5 and sell them for $500 but I just give them freely to PG.
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In all due respect a complete rewrite does not have to eliminate all previous styles or songs. It could just add to them.<...> I don't know that much about it, it was only a guess. Another guess. Bring the app into the 21st century with real time signatures, long file names, up to 16 chords per bar without going through a micro-chord function, add at least 240ppq in the MIDI (or even better 960), and whatever other improvements people have in their wish list. Then write and include a conversion app to convert the old song and style files to the new system. Again a guess. Possible? Probable? Notes ♫
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Then write and include a conversion app to convert the old song and style files to the new system. That would be my approach, but it does leave an issue with, for example, transferring songs from the new version BiaB to band members with older version. One answer to that might be to offer a very competitive upgrade from older versions to the new; one answer may be to allow export or conversion to the older format, subject to the limitations of the older format, but personally I think that's just making things messy again. If a seamless conversion is wanted, then the external conversion program could just be run BiaB.
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I don't know that much about it, it was only a guess.
.................... Then write and include a conversion app to convert the old song and style files to the new system.
Again a guess.
Possible?
Probable?
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Yes, my idea was only a guess also so I apologize if it was taken as fact. I would be extremely happy if someone wrote conversion app now to convert time signatures. Make it a third party or separate app to convert BiaB files to the correct time signature for transferring songs to a DAW. Probable? Probably not but I can dream!
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Was just having a go at fitting these to the actual real time signature. I tried the 54_SWING.STY 5/4 over 1 bar and I add 25% to the tempo in Biab that is 130bpm based on 4/4 I get 162.5bpm so I set REAPER to that then the audio will fit if it has no Acid info added. The midi I had to set the playrate to 0.8 If I have a 12/8 style spread over 2 bars @120bpm I set REAPER to 90bpm -25% The midi I had to set the playrate to 1.333 If it's over 1 bar then set tempo to 180bpm The midi I had to set the playrate to 0.666  
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One answer to that might be to offer a very competitive upgrade from older versions to the new PG Music offers a program only update during each new release sale. If the program only upgrade for $49 US doesn't work I'm not sure what will. Perhaps PG Music could offer the program only update throughout the year. When you consider the discount during a sale is about 40 percent the program only update would cost about $69 when the update is not on sale.
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One answer to that might be to offer a very competitive upgrade from older versions to the new PG Music offers a program only update during each new release sale. If the program only upgrade for $49 US doesn't work I'm not sure what will. Perhaps PG Music could offer the program only update throughout the year. When you consider the discount during a sale is about 40 percent the program only update would cost about $69 when the update is not on sale. People are sometimes dissuaded from an upgrade, partly because "I don't need/want the new features". I have a friend who hadn't updated for many years for that reason, but recently updated as he finally felt it was worthwhile. I don't know what scale of update he did. A new more consistent, more ergonomic interface might be the push needed. A new but different interface than needs learning over may be a strong dissuader. Unfortunately I can't say which would be dominant for anyone but me. :-(
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A new more consistent, more ergonomic interface might be the push needed.
A new but different interface than needs learning over may be a strong dissuader.
Unfortunately I can't say which would be dominant for anyone but me. :-( A good example of this is the QWERTY keyboard. The QWERTY arrangement was designed to slow your speed of typing. In the early days of typewriters, fast typists would jam the keys, so QWERTY was invented. A relative of the composer Antonin Dvorak invented the DVORAK keyboard system, which put the most used letters in the most favorable positions, allowing people to type quicker. In the early days of PCs, there was a software switch to change your keyboard from the QWERTY to the DVORAK. But people already knew how to type on the QWERTY and didn't want to learn the new system. Various transposing un-piano-keyboard synths have been proposed, but none of them have caught on either. Most people comfortable with a complex skill are reluctant to go back to square one. Insights and incites by Notes ♫
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Most people comfortable with a complex skill are reluctant to go back to square one. ... and that's a huge and important issue! Over the years I've had to get work teams to use tools that are potentially "boring and useless". Things like bug-trackers, revision management, documentation tools, ISO9000, ... I would not like to guess how much time I've spent finding the least unpleasant tools to use and how much time I've spent making it easy for the people who have to use them to see the value in them. If it's reasonably user-friendly and they see the benefits to themselves, people will change/adapt. We've all had moments of "I can't be doing with this!". It's difficult, and with good reason. Frustratingly, sometimes it's the most convoluted and arcane tools that are the hardest to change from, simply because they were so hard to learn in the first place. Familiar hot-keys that one to a reasonably familiar place can help, though sometimes the hot-keys are so arcane that that only half helps. Right-click on anything to see a menu of things one can do with that object is consistent and fairly friendly. It may be just me, but I think some of BiaB's dialogs just have too much stuff in them. I'm not sure whether they need sub-dialogs, or just logical partitions into, say, panels. There's a lot to be said for rapid-prototypes of straw-man(*) ideas. (*)Hmm ... straw-non-gender-stereotypical-entity ideas. Pinata? :-)
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Regarding compound time signatures like 12/8 ( or 6/8 or 9/8 BiaB already supports 12/8. Including notation, and chord entry (using 3 MicroChords per beat). For playback, it is treated as 4/4, because that’s how most musicians count it. Here’s a good video explaining that https://youtu.be/SQbrGlyG-vw or this one https://youtu.be/cItjWpgDTTkSame idea for 6/8 (which is like 2/4, assuming that the feel is two groups of 3) also supported in notation in BiaB.(with 3 MicroChords per beat) And 9/8 (counted as 3/4 with 3 groups of triplets). BiaB, with 9/8 notation available; and 3 MicroChords per beat.
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Here's the 5/4 playing in REAPER. I set Biab to 96bpm to get 120bmp @5/4. Where there are 4 chords in a bar they will occur on beat 1234 of 5 to get it on beat 5 you would need to use Micro Chords. If you can work out a way of using the Micro Chords so they are not Micro Chord entry in a signature greater than 4 and have the actual tempo for that beat, count-ins and metronome. Maybe you can work it out to match the DAW time signature as not everyone stays in Biab. Maybe it's a can of worms I am opening and you just need to concentrate on the BBPlugin/Standalone mods ? Watch https://www.dropbox.com/s/hq8jvyktrhoc6gu/BB-54-Reaper.mp4?dl=0Download https://www.reatrak.com/downloads/biab/BB-54-Reaper.mp4
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Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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