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Hello Folk,
the principal reason I purchased 2022 was to be able to use the drum multitracks. The small clutch that came with it are very useful but I'd like access to more as often hihats are too loud or kick drum too clicky in the stereo mixes.
I keep checking the updates and new "Paks" for them but, as yet, nothing seems to have arrived. Is this going the way of the video tracks?


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I don't think the comparison with VideoTracks is appropriate. All VideoTracks were released at the same time. But there was no promise for more VideoTracks.

Additional drum stems were promised when 2022 was released. Hopefully PG Music will have the opportunity to add more drum stems now that 2022 for Mac is out.

Like you I'm waiting for more stems to be released.

I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion about the ones released so far. I figured there would at least be some comments about the difficulty of blending so many track into one stereo mix.

I've tried to duplicate the sound of the stereo RealDrums and have sound the task to be fairly difficult. Whoever is mixing the original stems is doing a heck of a job.


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Originally Posted By: rayc
.. Is this going the way of the video tracks?

LOL I was thinking the same at the time but they seem more popular than VideoTracks so hopefully we'll see more. See how things go, if nothing happens I'll try and make up some more as the good thing is it lets users make their own RealDrums with Stems (just remember to put some Shots n Holds in that PG forgot to do in their Stems)

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=697041

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=695539

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I concur with Jim.

Perhaps the most effective way you can encourage PG Music to develop more Drum Steps is to make a positive post in the Wishlist. We do expect the company to develop more, as they give us so much more control and were very much welcomed upon release. We should do more now to encourage more to be developed.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
I don't think the comparison with VideoTracks is appropriate. All VideoTracks were released at the same time. But there was no promise for more VideoTracks.

There was, to my limited knowledge, no caveat that said this is it, this is the only time, get 'em while they're here. That wouldn't have been a great point of sale announcement.
I had hoped to hop onto the video train when I had a computer up to the task plus the money & version of BIAB to deal with them.
Seems that train left the station, headed down an obscure fork with no turnabout and has settled into the dusts of time.


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I guess only PG Music can really answer accurately.
My guess is that more drum stems would be available in the 2023 release.
I have no evidence to support that, it is only a hunch, but the drum stems have proven to be quite popular with many users.


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We will be continuing to make more drum stems available in future content PAKs and Band-in-a-Box releases. They have been a very popular feature (and a personal favorite of mine) and we're very excited to continue including them as part of the many Band-in-a-Box features!


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Originally Posted By: rayc
There was, to my limited knowledge, no caveat that said this is it, this is the only time, get 'em while they're here.


Of course not. Sales is all about presenting product and then judging what sells versus what didn't sell. That is the approach PG Music has taken with Xtra Styles, Xpro Styles, Artist Performance Tracks and even, RealTracks. Evidently there is not enough demand for VideoTracks to justify creating more.

VideoTrack sets 1 - 6 are +++ still available here +++ for those that are interested and do not have them.

I'm sure if there is an large demand for more VideoTracks PG Music will offer more.


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Jerry, thank you for this good news.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
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VideoTrack sets 1 - 6 are +++ still available here +++ for those that are interested and do not have them.

I went back and found that the VTs are quite cheap now and there's one that MIGHT be useful for my video making so I've spend the $US20 to test it.
I make videos for most songs I create and usually there's no drummer present. I assume I'll be able to cheat on the style section when it comes time to add a drummer.
Thanks for the reminder.


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There was, to my limited knowledge, no caveat that said this is it, this is the only time, get 'em while they're here.


Of course not. Sales is all about presenting product and then judging what sells versus what didn't sell. That is the approach PG Music has taken with Xtra Styles, Xpro Styles, Artist Performance Tracks and even, RealTracks. Evidently there is not enough demand for VideoTracks to justify creating more.

VideoTrack sets 1 - 6 are +++ still available here +++ for those that are interested and do not have them.

I'm sure if there is an large demand for more VideoTracks PG Music will offer more.


Well Jim,
On your say so I bit the bullet and bought a set of Video Real Tracks for drums on 22nd June.
TODAY, (14th July), the problems that came with VRTs was resolved for me.

After quite a few patch & workaround failures I had to download the ORIGINAL VRT set one and reboot both computer & program. This means I was able to generate a drum video for a recent project - sadly I finished the project and made a video to go with a week ago.
Any future purchase, by someone who doesn't already have VRTs up n running, will require this "fix" though there may be some hope of the Set ONE being bundled with the new set purchase.
Interestingly, & frugally, all of the VRT in SET ONE are crippled and can't be used so no little bonus for me after 24 days of waiting.

BEWARE VIDEO REAL TRACKS until they sort out the problem.

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rayc,

I'm glad to read you successfully completed your project.


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