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To settle a bet, I've been trying to track down some information on BIAB's history, and finding surprisingly little on the web. WikiPedia says BIAB was introduced in 1990, running on the ATARI ST. I guess I knew that already, but my immediate question is: was there ever a version for Commodore (either the Amiga, based on the same processor as the Atari, or earlier machines)? I had bet there was, but I could be wrong about that.
That question got me wondering about some others. For example, PG's web site says the company was founded in 1988. So...
- What was PG and Peter doing in the two years before BIAB was introduced in '90 (other programs? Did BIAB take two years to write?)
- When were the BIAB Mac and Windows versions introduced, and which came first?
- How many styles were originally offered in the Amiga, Mac and Windows versions -- just the built ins, or more?
- How much did the program originally cost?
- Was there ever a version of BIAB for the Apple II (they were still being sold as late as 1993, five years after PG's founding).
- When did PG stop shipping BIAB on floppy disks, and go with CDs?
- Did PG have any real product flops (programs other than BIAB that, like New Coke, are best forgotten)?
- Are there any discontinued BIAB or PG products that might be available somewhere, and still useful? (I seem to recall a certain "fakebook" that shipped with BIAB, maybe back in the floppy days, that I didn't see in later releases, and missed).
- What's the most commercially successful recording (if any) to use tracks or other material generated via BIAB (assuming the artists would admit it)?
Anybody have the answer to any of these?
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I got my copy of BIAB 7 on two floppies, along with a copy of Power Tracks (which was then included), also on two 3-1/2" flops. I don't recall whether it was for DOS or Windows 3.1.
I also own a Power Pack, which included BIAB Pro 11 and PTPA version 7; 2006, which still came on CDs; and 2009 (upgraded to 2009.5), which came on DVDs. In a precursor to Real Tracks, PTPA version 7 included three "Multitracks(tm)" Play along CD-ROMs in three flavors: Jazz, Blues, and Rock.*
As recently as last summer I had version 7 installed on a little laptop with a Pentium Nada, Win2K, and 96 Mb RAM (that's MEGABYTES, for those of you in Rio Linda). I had to find my old Soundblaster 16 driver disk to get the sound to work. Ah, the cheeziness of it all!
R.
*Is there some way I could get a copy of the Rock disk? I lent mine to my son and never saw it again.
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I purchased BiaB way back then for my Atari ST. I think it was in around 1988-89 but I could be wrong as I suffer from CRS.
I got banned from Weight Watchers for dropping a bag of M&Ms on the floor.
It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
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I'm a BABI when it comes to BIAB. I think, I started with 2007.
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on the support page it traces the company history thru updates back to the late 90s http://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm
HP Win 11 12 gig ram, Mac mini Sonoma with 16 gig of ram, BiaB 2025, Realband, Reaper 7, Harrison Mixbus 9 32c , Melodyne 5 editor, Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL, Presonus control app.
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Oh yeah, voyetra drivers.
Those were the daaaaayyyyysssssss....meatheads. LOL
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I guess gramma's player piano don't count, but it is the device I first cut my multitrackin' teeth on, figuring out the matrix and punchin' holes to make it play a song.
Paper tape and glue to cover up the holes and try again. My "editor"...
Yeah, I was a strange kid.
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I bought my version of BIAB for Atari in November of 1990. I don't recall it being available for Amiga. I also had the first version of Mastertracks Pro. I used it with my Yamaha DX-7 and I thought I was WAY cool. Since then I have purchased just about every product that PG music has made. I recall seeing an add in the back of Keyboard Magazine. I still think the midi timing of the Atari version has never been equaled either on the PC or Mac platform...
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I think I started with BIAB (Mac version) in 1993 or 1994, using an early version of Passports' MasterTracks Pro as my sequencer and later investing in Passport's Encore for notation. I used a Roland sound canvas hardware box as my general midi synth, and recorded the final result, with vocals, on a Teac 8-track. I recall thinking that the midi files I generated with this software and hardware seemed pretty stilted and mechanical -- on the other hand, they did a better job presenting a song than what I could do with my limited keyboard skills. Too bad the current version of BIAB with realtracks, etc., wasn't available then... I'm sure I'd be famous... 
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Mac,
I did the same thing. The neighbors had an old player piano in the barn and I used to make wholes to see what would happen. I then got the bright idea to make an automated light show using a "hot" 120vac bar and a bunch of spring wires that would contact this bar if there was a whole in a punch card I'd make. Once I had it all together I went into test mode. That was the day I found out you don't work in the basement barefoot playing with 120vac. I almost died that day. When I passed out I fell and pulled the plug out of the socket. True story.
When my dad was at work I'd come home from school and play records over his 6Meter rig.
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I built a carbon arc light in the garage with rods from D batteries. Melted nails, way cool. Until I blew all the spare fuses and ended up with a red backside from a willow stick.
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I still have some floppies with MIDI tracks I created with Master Tracks Pro, including at least one I created in BIAB 7, ported into MTP and edited into a brilliant (I thought) vibes solo a la whoever that was being emulated. Some were done as backing for the Christian rock I was playing at the time. If I find them and they sound any good, I'll post them.
Still have MTP in storage somewhere. I recall wishing that it recorded audio, but on a 486 SX with 16 Mighty Megs of RAM, it's probably a good thing it didn't. I eventually graduated to an HP Pavilion Pentium with (gasp) 96 Mb. Digital audio was still almost 10 years in the future* for me (2004) with whatever version of Cubase light that came with my SB Audigy. Fully functional but only one level of undo (sound familiar?). LOTTA saves under different filenames. Ooh, and Sound Fonts.
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*Or six years in the past, if you count music that I programmed on my Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer III. Boopedy beepedy, Canon in Deepedy.
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I started on the Atari, but I think that BiaB started on the PC in DOS.
I bought a PC to sell my styles to PC users, and at that time, BiaB was only available in DOS. Windows came later.
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