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In your example I don't see nothing that is switching they are all zero. Brian
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The SD2 Upper Banks will respond to MSB values of 2, 4, or 10.
All of yours are zeros. Zero MSB = standard GM Bank on the Ketron.
Don't know what the problem could be but suspect either Cockpit Error of some sort or possibly you are using the same single songfile that may be corrupted. Have you tried hitting New and trying to assign Upper Banks on a New experimental songfile?
**What do the MSB Spinners read in this songfile? If they are all zeros, then nothing got assigned. If, however, the Spinners reflect the Upper Banks commands you wanted, with a 2, 4, or 10 there, then I'd suspect a bug.**
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As others have noticed they're all 0, which shouldn't be the case. But is that the entire list?
In the MIDI Monitor, press the Clear button, then play your song. When it's passed some of your bank changes, you can stop the song. Press the Save Text button. Press Copy, then paste (CTRL+V) into your forum post.
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Thanks Brian, Mac, Andrew Quote:
The SD2 Upper Banks will respond to MSB values of 2, 4, or 10.
All of yours are zeros. Zero MSB = standard GM Bank on the Ketron.
Don't know what the problem could be but suspect either Cockpit Error of some sort or possibly you are using the same single songfile that may be corrupted. Have you tried hitting New and trying to assign Upper Banks on a New experimental songfile?
No Mac, it's both old songs and newly created songs.
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**What do the MSB Spinners read in this songfile? If they are all zeros, then nothing got assigned. If, however, the Spinners reflect the Upper Banks commands you wanted, with a 2, 4, or 10 there, then I'd suspect a bug.**
--Mac
I'm entirely sure what you mean her Mac, is it this?

Does Crl 0 directly under MSB bank bear any significance?
I've created an 8 bar sequence, with patch changes every bar. Bars 1,3,5, & 7 are lower bank patches, and 2,4,6 & 8 are higher bank. BIAB changes the lowers, but not the highers. Here's the MIDI monitor printout. Evt # Time (mS) Source Raw Status Chan Data 1 Data 2 1 0 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 2 0 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 3 0 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 4 0 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 5 0 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 6 1 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 7 1 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 8 1 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 9 1 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 10 1 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 11 1 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 12 1 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 13 2 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 14 2 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 15 2 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 16 2 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 17 2 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 18 2 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 19 2 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 20 2 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 21 2 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 22 2 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 23 2 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 24 3 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 25 3 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 26 4 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 27 4 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 28 4 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 29 4 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 30 4 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 31 4 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 32 4 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 33 4 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 34 5 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 35 5 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 36 5 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 37 5 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 38 5 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 39 5 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 40 6 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 41 4857 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 42 4857 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 43 5787 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 44 6385 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 45 7856 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 46 8455 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 47 9056 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 48 9655 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 49 9655 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 50 10586 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 51 11187 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 52 12656 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 53 13257 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 54 13856 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 55 14455 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 56 14455 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 57 19255 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 58 19255 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
I guess that that CC#0 represents lower patch changes, and CC#32 higher patch.
Thank in advance for any advice.
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Hi, just tried sending out patch & bank changes using the sd2 patch map to my korg pa800.
Even though the sd2 patch map won't change the banks on my korg ( because it uses LSB & MSB controller for Bank Changes, unlike Ketron which only uses MSB ) I was still able to monitor what BIAB was sending. On my system BIAB is definately sending the various MSB ( bank changes).
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Hi Rikki, Thank you for checking that for me. I'm convinced that a setting has somehow been changed, but I'm blowed if I can find where. I doubt it's a bug becauses everyone else's is working okay.
Cheers, Keith
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Go through the prefs and make sure the appropriate boxes are checked to allow patch and bank changes. Also check the overrides menu.
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Keith--
When you load a songfile that has Upper Bank patches in it, you should be able to see the MSB spinner block underneath the Tracknames indicate that Upper Bank selection (like, 1, 2, 4, 10) when the Track is selected by its Radio Button at the top. No need to open any other window.
If you don't see an Upper Bank number in the MSB window and all you see is a zero, then the Save didn't work.
As for the Controller 32 or zero label, that is just another name for Most Significant Bit (MSB) or Lest Significant Bit (LSB) in MIDI-talk. Means the same thing, it is just that different manufacturers of MIDI gear may call it different names - and there are even other more cryptic ways they have of putting this in their owner's manuals, unfortunately. In your case, the MSB is the only thing you have to deal with in the SD2, and those Upper Bank numbers I've given you correspond to the single number at the top of each page of available patches in the back of your SD2 owner's manual.
So try changing the MSB value in the spinner on the main page MANUALLY to one of those numbers and see if you hear the instrument patch change. If so, try doing a Save with Patches and Harmony and check the boxes to the right and check Fill with Patches from there and see if your patch changes stick.
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A little explanation of this MSB & LSB thing. In MIDI a parameter can only have 128 values-typically 0-127. This also applies to program changes.With this restriction you'd only be able to have 128 Patches.In comes the MSB. It to can have 128 values so now you can have 128 MSB Values x 128 patches for each MSB value = 16,384 Patches. Now add in 128 LSB Values for each MSB value and it's 128LSB X 128MSB X 128PATCHES = 2097152 Total Patches Available.
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So try changing the MSB value in the spinner on the main page MANUALLY to one of those numbers and see if you hear the instrument patch change. If so, try doing a Save with Patches and Harmony and check the boxes to the right and check Fill with Patches from there and see if your patch changes stick.
--Mac
Hi Mac, No, the MSB spinners on the main screen do not change, and changing the values manually has no effect. Something else; if I have bar 1 set as a high bank patch and change the MSB value, and then play the song again the manually entered value stays, and does not reset at bar 1. i.e. whatever values I enter into the spinners in MSB & LSB remain until they are manually changed back. If I open a new songfile they revert to zeros.
John - I've checked overrides & preferences & "allow patch changes" was checked in all of the areas that I looked at.
Cheers, Keith
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Makes no sense.
My workflow would be, given the above
1. Start song verify odd noises are there. 2. Mute 1st Track. Repeat. Continue until you mute each track except the drum track. 3. Put the midi drum track on the screen in editable notation and play and watch for what is happening.
Because the midi drum track is supposed to regenerate based on the midi pattern every time play is pressed the only explanation is that something is wrong with the style file.
Other than that some spurious data is on Ch10 some other place.
Also verify that there is NO .wav file of the same name in the folder.
Also verify that there are no sounds happening if the ketron is shut off.
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Sounds like the MSB data did not get saved to the songfiles for some reason.
Have you tried the "Save with Patches and Harmony" window instead (as outlined above in one of my posts)?
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Sorry Mac, Yes, I forgot to mention that I have tried that with no luck.
I'm now considering a complete reinstall, but before I do, just as a test I loaded BIAB onto another computer, set some alternate bank 0 and bank 1 patches, and ran the MIDI monitor.
Is this the response that I should be getting? Evt # Time (mS) Source Raw Status Chan Data 1 Data 2 1 1808 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 2 1808 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 3 1809 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 4 1809 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 5 1809 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 6 1809 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 7 1810 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 8 1810 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 9 1810 1 B3 00 01 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 1 10 1811 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 11 1811 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 12 1812 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 13 1812 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 14 1812 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 15 1813 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 16 1813 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 17 1813 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 18 1813 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 19 1814 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 20 1814 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 21 1815 1 B3 00 01 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 1 22 1815 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 23 1815 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 24 1815 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 25 1816 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 26 1816 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 27 1816 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 28 1816 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 29 1817 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 30 1817 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 31 1817 1 B3 00 01 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 1 32 1818 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 33 8691 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 34 8691 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 35 8691 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 36 8691 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
I'm hoping that the CC value alternating between 0 and 1 means the banks are switching. I don't have a keyboard with me to test it.
Last edited by Keith from Oz; 01/16/11 08:02 PM.
Cheers, Keith
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Hi Keith, that MSB 1, is Bank change 1. Appears that it may finally be working for you
Last edited by rikkisbears; 01/16/11 09:19 PM.
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Thanks Rikki, I think a new install is definitely the way for me to go. My BIAB file is getting a bit crowded anyway - so it's a good chance to have a spring clean.
Cheers, Keith
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Looks like they issued a fix for upper bank issues today. Check latest update. 314
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Yes, I noticed it this morning thanks Bob. I'm looking forward to trying it out when I get home.
Cheers, Keith
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... and I'm pleased to report that after trying a few songs the upper bank switches are performing correctly. Thanks Team PG 
Cheers, Keith
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With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
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