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Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101179 01/13/11 05:13 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 633 Jonesboro Arkansas B Brian Hughes Journeyman
Brian Hughes Journeyman B Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 633 Jonesboro Arkansas	In your example I don't see nothing that is switching they are all zero. Brian BIAB 2026 Ultrapack- Fender Studio Pro 8, Windows 11, Mac Mini M4 with Logic Pro 11, Melodyne Studio, Luna Pro

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101180 01/13/11 06:22 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	The SD2 Upper Banks will respond to MSB values of 2, 4, or 10. All of yours are zeros. Zero MSB = standard GM Bank on the Ketron. Don't know what the problem could be but suspect either Cockpit Error of some sort or possibly you are using the same single songfile that may be corrupted. Have you tried hitting New and trying to assign Upper Banks on a New experimental songfile? What do the MSB Spinners read in this songfile? If they are all zeros, then nothing got assigned. If, however, the Spinners reflect the Upper Banks commands you wanted, with a 2, 4, or 10 there, then I'd suspect a bug. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101181 01/13/11 10:47 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Andrew - PG Music PG Music Staff Joined: May 2002 Posts: 7,729 Victoria, BC	As others have noticed they're all 0, which shouldn't be the case. But is that the entire list? In the MIDI Monitor, press the Clear button, then play your song. When it's passed some of your bank changes, you can stop the song. Press the Save Text button. Press Copy, then paste (CTRL+V) into your forum post. Andrew PG Music Inc.

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Mac #101182 01/14/11 09:12 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia Keith from Oz OP Veteran
OP Keith from Oz Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia	Thanks Brian, Mac, Andrew Quote: The SD2 Upper Banks will respond to MSB values of 2, 4, or 10. All of yours are zeros. Zero MSB = standard GM Bank on the Ketron. Don't know what the problem could be but suspect either Cockpit Error of some sort or possibly you are using the same single songfile that may be corrupted. Have you tried hitting New and trying to assign Upper Banks on a New experimental songfile? No Mac, it's both old songs and newly created songs. Quote: What do the MSB Spinners read in this songfile? If they are all zeros, then nothing got assigned. If, however, the Spinners reflect the Upper Banks commands you wanted, with a 2, 4, or 10 there, then I'd suspect a bug. --Mac I'm entirely sure what you mean her Mac, is it this? Does Crl 0 directly under MSB bank bear any significance? I've created an 8 bar sequence, with patch changes every bar. Bars 1,3,5, & 7 are lower bank patches, and 2,4,6 & 8 are higher bank. BIAB changes the lowers, but not the highers. Here's the MIDI monitor printout. Evt # Time (mS) Source Raw Status Chan Data 1 Data 2 1 0 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 2 0 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 3 0 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 4 0 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 5 0 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 6 1 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 7 1 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 8 1 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 9 1 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 10 1 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 11 1 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 12 1 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 13 2 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 14 2 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 15 2 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 16 2 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 17 2 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 18 2 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 19 2 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 20 2 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 21 2 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 22 2 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 23 2 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 24 3 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 25 3 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 26 4 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 27 4 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 28 4 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 29 4 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 30 4 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 31 4 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 32 4 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 33 4 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 34 5 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 35 5 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 36 5 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 37 5 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 38 5 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 39 5 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 40 6 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 41 4857 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 42 4857 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 43 5787 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 44 6385 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 45 7856 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 46 8455 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 47 9056 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 48 9655 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 49 9655 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 50 10586 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 51 11187 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 52 12656 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 53 13257 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 54 13856 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 55 14455 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 56 14455 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 57 19255 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 58 19255 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 I guess that that CC#0 represents lower patch changes, and CC#32 higher patch. Thank in advance for any advice.

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101183 01/14/11 11:33 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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rikkisbears Apprentice R Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 260 Australia	Hi, just tried sending out patch & bank changes using the sd2 patch map to my korg pa800. Even though the sd2 patch map won't change the banks on my korg ( because it uses LSB & MSB controller for Bank Changes, unlike Ketron which only uses MSB ) I was still able to monitor what BIAB was sending. On my system BIAB is definately sending the various MSB ( bank changes). best wishes rikki BIAB 2025 Korg PA5X Yamaha sx900

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches rikkisbears #101184 01/15/11 01:09 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia Keith from Oz OP Veteran
OP Keith from Oz Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia	Hi Rikki, Thank you for checking that for me. I'm convinced that a setting has somehow been changed, but I'm blowed if I can find where. I doubt it's a bug becauses everyone else's is working okay. Cheers, Keith

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101185 01/15/11 05:30 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 8,021 Rio Grande Valley, Texas silvertones Veteran
silvertones Veteran Joined: May 2003 Posts: 8,021 Rio Grande Valley, Texas	Go through the prefs and make sure the appropriate boxes are checked to allow patch and bank changes. Also check the overrides menu. John ESI Gigaport HD+ Lenovo Turion II /4 Gig Ram/ Win7x64 be 15.6" Monitor "The only Band is a Real Band" www.wintertexaninfo.com/BANDS/JohnnyD.php

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101186 01/15/11 06:23 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA M Mac Veteran
Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Keith-- When you load a songfile that has Upper Bank patches in it, you should be able to see the MSB spinner block underneath the Tracknames indicate that Upper Bank selection (like, 1, 2, 4, 10) when the Track is selected by its Radio Button at the top. No need to open any other window. If you don't see an Upper Bank number in the MSB window and all you see is a zero, then the Save didn't work. As for the Controller 32 or zero label, that is just another name for Most Significant Bit (MSB) or Lest Significant Bit (LSB) in MIDI-talk. Means the same thing, it is just that different manufacturers of MIDI gear may call it different names - and there are even other more cryptic ways they have of putting this in their owner's manuals, unfortunately. In your case, the MSB is the only thing you have to deal with in the SD2, and those Upper Bank numbers I've given you correspond to the single number at the top of each page of available patches in the back of your SD2 owner's manual. So try changing the MSB value in the spinner on the main page MANUALLY to one of those numbers and see if you hear the instrument patch change. If so, try doing a Save with Patches and Harmony and check the boxes to the right and check Fill with Patches from there and see if your patch changes stick. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Mac #101187 01/15/11 06:35 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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silvertones Veteran Joined: May 2003 Posts: 8,021 Rio Grande Valley, Texas	A little explanation of this MSB & LSB thing. In MIDI a parameter can only have 128 values-typically 0-127. This also applies to program changes.With this restriction you'd only be able to have 128 Patches.In comes the MSB. It to can have 128 values so now you can have 128 MSB Values x 128 patches for each MSB value = 16,384 Patches. Now add in 128 LSB Values for each MSB value and it's 128LSB X 128MSB X 128PATCHES = 2097152 Total Patches Available. John ESI Gigaport HD+ Lenovo Turion II /4 Gig Ram/ Win7x64 be 15.6" Monitor "The only Band is a Real Band" www.wintertexaninfo.com/BANDS/JohnnyD.php

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Mac #101188 01/15/11 03:58 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia Keith from Oz OP Veteran
OP Keith from Oz Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia	Quote: Keith-- So try changing the MSB value in the spinner on the main page MANUALLY to one of those numbers and see if you hear the instrument patch change. If so, try doing a Save with Patches and Harmony and check the boxes to the right and check Fill with Patches from there and see if your patch changes stick. --Mac Hi Mac, No, the MSB spinners on the main screen do not change, and changing the values manually has no effect. Something else; if I have bar 1 set as a high bank patch and change the MSB value, and then play the song again the manually entered value stays, and does not reset at bar 1. i.e. whatever values I enter into the spinners in MSB & LSB remain until they are manually changed back. If I open a new songfile they revert to zeros. John - I've checked overrides & preferences & "allow patch changes" was checked in all of the areas that I looked at. Cheers, Keith

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101189 01/15/11 04:05 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 8,333 London, Ontario, Canada John Conley Veteran
John Conley Veteran Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 8,333 London, Ontario, Canada	Makes no sense. My workflow would be, given the above 1. Start song verify odd noises are there. 2. Mute 1st Track. Repeat. Continue until you mute each track except the drum track. 3. Put the midi drum track on the screen in editable notation and play and watch for what is happening. Because the midi drum track is supposed to regenerate based on the midi pattern every time play is pressed the only explanation is that something is wrong with the style file. Other than that some spurious data is on Ch10 some other place. Also verify that there is NO .wav file of the same name in the folder. Also verify that there are no sounds happening if the ketron is shut off. John Conley Musica est vita

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101190 01/16/11 06:24 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Sounds like the MSB data did not get saved to the songfiles for some reason. Have you tried the "Save with Patches and Harmony" window instead (as outlined above in one of my posts)? --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Mac #101191 01/16/11 07:57 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia Keith from Oz OP Veteran
OP Keith from Oz Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia	Sorry Mac, Yes, I forgot to mention that I have tried that with no luck. I'm now considering a complete reinstall, but before I do, just as a test I loaded BIAB onto another computer, set some alternate bank 0 and bank 1 patches, and ran the MIDI monitor. Is this the response that I should be getting? Evt # Time (mS) Source Raw Status Chan Data 1 Data 2 1 1808 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 2 1808 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 3 1809 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 4 1809 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 5 1809 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 6 1809 1 B5 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 7 1810 1 B6 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 8 1810 1 B6 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 7 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 9 1810 1 B3 00 01 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 1 10 1811 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 11 1811 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 12 1812 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 13 1812 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 14 1812 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 15 1813 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 16 1813 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 17 1813 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 18 1813 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 19 1814 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 20 1814 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 21 1815 1 B3 00 01 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 1 22 1815 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 23 1815 1 B4 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 24 1815 1 B4 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 5 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 25 1816 1 B1 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 26 1816 1 B1 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 2 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 27 1816 1 B2 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 28 1816 1 B2 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 3 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 29 1817 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 30 1817 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 31 1817 1 B3 00 01 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 1 32 1818 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 33 8691 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 34 8691 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 35 8691 1 B7 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0 36 8691 1 B7 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 8 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0 I'm hoping that the CC value alternating between 0 and 1 means the banks are switching. I don't have a keyboard with me to test it. Last edited by Keith from Oz; 01/16/11 08:02 PM. Cheers, Keith

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101192 01/16/11 09:14 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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rikkisbears Apprentice R Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 260 Australia	Hi Keith, that MSB 1, is Bank change 1. Appears that it may finally be working for you Last edited by rikkisbears; 01/16/11 09:19 PM. best wishes rikki BIAB 2025 Korg PA5X Yamaha sx900

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches rikkisbears #101193 01/16/11 09:48 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia Keith from Oz OP Veteran
OP Keith from Oz Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia	Thanks Rikki, I think a new install is definitely the way for me to go. My BIAB file is getting a bit crowded anyway - so it's a good chance to have a spring clean. Cheers, Keith

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101194 02/08/11 08:30 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,558 Mi., USA	Looks like they issued a fix for upper bank issues today. Check latest update. 314 I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches rharv #101195 02/08/11 10:51 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia Keith from Oz OP Veteran
OP Keith from Oz Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia	Yes, I noticed it this morning thanks Bob. I'm looking forward to trying it out when I get home. Cheers, Keith

Re: Ketron Upper Bank Patches Keith from Oz #101196 02/09/11 12:43 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP Keith from Oz Veteran Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,448 NSW Australia	... and I'm pleased to report that after trying a few songs the upper bank switches are performing correctly. Thanks Team PG Cheers, Keith

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