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I recently upgraded to 2011 build 313, but have noticed that BIAB no longer recognises upper bank patches for the SD2. I loaded the new version straight over the previous one.
I've done to Factory reset, and re-downloaded the patch map from the PG site.
BIAB changes to the regular patches, but when I'm using upper banks, they are ignored. It was working fine in 2010.5.
Can anyone suggest a fix?
Thanks in advance
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Keith
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Oh my, I hope that old bug is not back again to plague hardware MIDI synth users.
Will have to check it out at this end and see what happens...
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I'm happy to report that upper banks work on my hardware synth in version 2011... but it isn't a Ketron.
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Can anyone suggest a fix?
This is almost too fundamental to suggest, but it nailed me more than once when I was trying to get my upper banks working, so I'll mention it anyway.
Are you sure the sequence isn't sending a GM sysex to the unit before you try to change to an upper bank patch? Or that you haven't inadvertently switched from performance mode to GM mode somehow?
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If has been my experience here that if I get the Upper Banks working on one brand of GM hardware synth, it works on all.
And I've got plenty of 'em here, from most major mfrs.
The Ketron SD2 does an internal RESET to GM everytime the power switch is cycled on, so I tend to doubt that the machine could be left in some state where it wouldn't receive or act on commands sent by BiaB.
However, there could be a problem inside BiaB and whether or not that is a bug (again) or whether one particular user has a corruption in a file somewhere or a User Setting changed could impact the action.
In which case the first thing to do is Reboot the Computer and check operation again.
And if that fails, try RETURN TO FACTORY SETTINGS, BUTTON #2.
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The Ketron SD2 does an internal RESET to GM everytime the power switch is cycled on, so I tend to doubt that the machine could be left in some state where it wouldn't receive or act on commands sent by BiaB.
My roland synth will not accept upper bank patches if it is already in GM mode (no matter how it got there).
Apparently BIAB does not send the sysex to put it into performance mode before it sends the patch information. Unless I manually reach over and push a button to exit GM mode and begin performance mode, any patch changes sent (even if accompanied by MSB/LSB) will set a GM patch
But this is the only hard synth I've ever owned, so I have no basis of comparison.
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Your particular Roland synth is designed to work differently from the way the Ketron SD2 is designed to work.
Again, cycling the Power Switch on the SD2 forces a hard RESET and the device is ready for use with BiaB.
Upper Banks are then only a matter of sending the one single command necessary.
Every time you turn the SD2 ON, it is hard reset and ready to go. Simple and user friendly.
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I know this is kind of fundamental, but after downloading, did you click the PAT button and re-apply the Ketron .pat file ?? I have the SD4 and the upper banks are working fine.
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Thanks guys, I'll try your suggestions when I get home tonight. Mac Quote:
Oh my, I hope that old bug is not back again to plague hardware MIDI synth users.
Will have to check it out at this end and see what happens...
--Mac
It's not quite the same as the previous bug. The old bug wouldn't let the patch numbers "stick" - this time BIAB accepts and holds the upper bank patch numbers, however for some reason the patches won't change
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Keith
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No problem here using the upper banks. Loaded an all midi song and changed the melody patch four or five times while playing and the sound changed accordingly at this end.
Mike B.
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Thanks Mike - I haven't had a chance to play around with it yet. Hopefully tonight.
I appreciate you reply.
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Keith
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Well I’m getting frustrated at not being able to get the higher banks working. Here’s what I’ve done so far: 1. Downloaded the Ketron SD2 .PAT files from the PG site, copied the file to the BB file, and opened the file from the “+” higher banks. 2. Have done both Return to Factory settings – including MID drivers and patch maps 3. Some time ago I copied BIAB2010 to an external drive as a back up. I compared many preferences, and all were the same on both machines. 4. Tried various start up options (computer then keyboard, then Ketron – all combinations) 5. Used the “Send Patch” button from the “+” area 6. Got crabby and had two beers. I’ve set up a song with patch changes every four bars. The regular patches change fine, and although the blue bar at the very top of the screen says “Bar Setting Patch Changes” there is no change when the higher bank patches are selected. As I mention at the start of this thread, I loaded BB2011 straight on top of 2010.5 - there were no changes to my keyboard, cabling – anything. (XP by the way) If everyone who has been kind enough to respond and tell me that they’re working okay, I feel that it’s probably a setting that somehow has been changed. I think I’ll go back to step #6 again. 
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Now bear in mind I'm old ....
I got messing with this last week and decided the wife should play the flute through the vocal harmony box as I can't sing anymore.
I forgot I'd rendered a song.
The vocal harmony box was not responding. It took me 30 minutes to discover that I had checked the use Dxi synth box to render something and left it. If you check that box the Ketron won't work. This I found out.
My vocal box is setup on Midi ch5. I also have the soloist track on ch 5 so I can go in there and put a patch change like 25 (Nylon string guit) but that sets the box to preset 2.5 so I can change on the fly. I hear something on the soloist track I don't like and silence it. For hours it never dawned on me that my box wasn't responding due to the muted track, and I finally figured it out. I now set the volume to 1 and erase the track, I don't use solos anyway.
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6. Got crabby and had two beers.
Have a few more, it'll sound fine...
Isn't this fun? I've thought for years and even mentioned it in the wishlist that there should be some way for a user to enter into a screen within Biab or RB their exact hardware/software/OS/synth/interface setup and either have the program automatically configure everything or at least display another screen with clear, point by point instructions how to do it. Also, where there a choice such as pick MME or ASIO, there's a help icon that explains what those are and how they work. I'm sure some of those settings are within Windows itself so no third party app can access it directly but other things are within Biab/RB so this should be possible.
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Hello Keith,
Open the MIDI Monitor, filter it to only show program changes and control change 0 (Bank change MSB) and 32 (Bank change LSB), then play your song. This way you can determine if Band-in-a-Box is sending the correct messages when you expect it to. Is it? If not, what's happening?
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Thank you Andrew - I'll try that tonight when I get home
Cheers,
Keith
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The aforementioned is much easier if you take a file with a simple melody and use all realtracks. Then the only midi is for the melody. The ketron should flash, and when testing I turn off the other feed to my mixer and just listen to the melody. It should be obvious, for then the light only flashes when the notes go out. Then the patch changes should show up in the midi monitor along with the notes.
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Good clue John - I'll try that. When testing last night the Ketron blue light was flashing as it should.
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Keith
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If notes are going from every track it can be overwhelming to watch and figure out. The simpler the better.
I get weird stuff once in a while. My vocal harmonizer seized up today, I happened to see it happen as I turned the know.
Not that I really use it for vocals at the moment. Maybe the voice and the balance come back at the same time eh? But I'm messing with it and my horns with some success. I think. I need to record it and get someone with ears to tell me.
The vocalist goes on Midi 5 so I can isolate just that and watch the data as the chords go out to it.
I always find when something is wrong it's usually my fault, just as the wife told me was the case. I'm wrong.
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Hello Keith,
Open the MIDI Monitor, filter it to only show program changes and control change 0 (Bank change MSB) and 32 (Bank change LSB), then play your song. This way you can determine if Band-in-a-Box is sending the correct messages when you expect it to. Is it? If not, what's happening?
Hi Andrew, I've sone as you suggested, but I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. Perhaps you could look over it for me.
Thank in advance.
Value = 0
45 8637 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
46 9342 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
47 14283 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
48 14990 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
49 17106 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
50 17814 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
51 22755 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
52 23459 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
53 31223 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
54 31930 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
55 39694 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
56 40402 1 B5 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 6 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
57 41425 1 B3 00 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #0 Bank Select MSB CC Value = 0
58 41425 1 B3 20 00 Control Change ($Bx) 4 CC Type = #32 Bank Select LSB CC Value = 0
Cheers,
Keith
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