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Hi there, I am using BIAB 2011 to compose and finally export all RealTracks to WAV to finish and overdub the song in my DAW. I would like my exported WAVs per track to be mono if the RealTrack was mono as well (say: Bass) or stereo (say: Drums). Reading the "new features in 2011" told me, I could now export exactly that way. I just cant figure out how to do it. I click .WAV-Button, unclick option "steroo files", click "one WAV file per track" and then DXI-direct render. Now all tracks like bass, guitar drum are still stereo but the "mix down" track of all instruments is mono.  Any tips? Thanx in advance
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Hi spinner, On page 8 of the "New Features" pdf, I find the following statement. Quote:
Render options for individual wave files. Instead of always making stereo files, there is an option to
match the stereo/mono type of the original RealTracks file.
Like you, though, I have played around but cannot find how to implement the above. I must be missing something. Perhaps either PG Music or one of the beta testers will help us out 
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Maybe most of the Real Tracks were recorded in stereo? If in mono, would the WMA of it be in mono?
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Many are stereo. You can test by rendering a given realtrack in Realband. It renders mono for mono tracks and makes it easily visible. Pic in this thread shows it - http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=303970&Main=302536#Post303970That pic sure has come in handy the last couple days.
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I’m confused.
The only tracks (5 and 6) in the linked graphic that have a stereo wave file are both Real Drum tracks. *
And that makes sense. A drum kit is made up of more than one thing. One could have the kick and hi-hat in the left channel and the snare and cymbal over on the right.
But a saxophone or a guitar etc. is only one thing. The sound is only coming out of one place. How does one record a sax in stereo.
The instruments themselves are mono.
When imported into a DAW, though, one can then have the choice to import in stereo or mono.
I import in mono and then pan 25 to 50% to one side or the other to get a stereo effect.
* Having two drum tracks that’s a cool idea. Worked great for the Grateful Dead and The Allman Brothers. 
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That was my point. The monos are mono and the stereos are stereo. Piano is another one likely to be in stereo.
I think originally most RT's were done in stereo, but now more are coming in mono. You can check them in RB to see if the original is stereo or mono.
HogTime asked if some of the wma's would be in mono; RB shows that yes they are.
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rharv,
When BIAB renders to individual wav files, the files are rendered as stereo (whether they are originally mono or not). Do you know how to implement the option that I've quoted above (in this thread's second post) from the "New Features" pdf for ver. 2011?
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Nope, but I'll look later if I get a chance. I was a beta tester, but I know RB (and was testing that pretty hard) more than BiaB. Testing for both was going on of course. I was hoping one of the other BiaB testers would pipe up by now..
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Thanks, rharv. Don't worry too much about it. If no-one replies, I'll send an email to support and ask.
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But a saxophone or a guitar etc. is only one thing. The sound is only coming out of one place. How does one record a sax in stereo.
One records a mono instrument in stereo using 2 mics. It's done quite frequently for acoustic guitars. Gives you a "wider" sound.
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But a saxophone or a guitar etc. is only one thing. The sound is only coming out of one place. How does one record a sax in stereo.
One records a mono instrument in stereo using 2 mics. It's done quite frequently for acoustic guitars. Gives you a "wider" sound.
Yeah. The basic idea is to catch some ambience of the room in stereo. Having a good recording room that can sound very nice. I found that some acoustic guitars are stereo. Also pianos which has been done by the recording engineers all over. The low notes might be more left and the high more right. Gives a "real" sound because we got used to that.
If RealTrack is stereo can now be looked up in the RealTrack-Picker-Dialog. There is a column named stereo. If you find "mn" in there its mono.
The most important instrument for me to be mono is bass.
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If all else fails, you can open the stereo wave file in RB and "split" it to two mono tracks. Then export to DAW/Recorder etc . . .
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One records a mono instrument in stereo using 2 mics. It's done quite frequently for acoustic guitars. Gives you a "wider" sound.
Yes, that is true, though I don't know how frequently.
I've seen engineers do it . . .
. . . but I'm skeptical how much effect that can really have. We're talking inches apart.
And, by the way, for electrical guitars, GE Smith always performs live with two amps (though not in "stereo" per se) and some Rickenbacker guitars have a stereo jack.
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It can have a LOT of effect. It's not just the distance between. You have different mic characteristics, pointing in different directions to pick up the sound from the body and neck (pick, fingers on frets, etc)
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Rharv is correct. Inches can matter a great deal. You can get phasing problems on the higher frequencies with mic placement differences that seem very small. Also, there is proximity effect to consider on some mics, depending on the pattern it uses (not that this is bad; it can be very good on some instruments, but very boomy or muddy on others). And remember, your mic technique involves three dimensions, not just two; sometimes placing mics higher above the instrument works better.
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. . . but I'm skeptical how much effect that can really have. We're talking inches apart.
Sounds like a case of confusing a "Binaural" recording in which mics are placed in the room to capture and thus reproduce the actual sound someone in the room might hear as opposed to a "Stereo" recording in which the engineer typically uses the Stereo Field to artificially produce a sound that is "bigger than life".
In the case of the acoustic guitar mic'ing scenario, the fact that more of the low frequencies are generated somewhere around the area of the sound hole, while the higher frequencies tend to happen somewhere near the neck/body joint is the reason for the two mic scenario - the combination yields the full sound of the instrument if mixed appropriately. This is a fuller sound than could be had if the same instrument were mic'd from a distance in a great sounding room beause the engineer can choose to make the sound "fuller" or "richer" or any of the other words that people use to describe sounds that never quite describe the situation well.
Mic'ing in this fashion can yield "only" the guitar sound, also "prints" better as a result of reduced signal-to-noise ratio. In this scenario, the Panning is typically not done in the extreme, rather the two mics would likely be placed rather close together in the stereo field, using Equal Energy Panning to then place the full rich sound of the guitar into the stereo field along with any other instruments or voices.
Two mics on acoustic guitar is rather the norm rather than the exception in today's studios.
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