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Now before you start all the banjo jokes, I think I have found a bug with RealTrack #590 "Banjo, Bluegrass Doc Ev 100(Rhythm - Simple)".
Type in some simple chords C G D G
The simple banjo will not play them
If you make them a bit more complex C2 G2 D2 G2 or C/A G/B D/F# G/B
it will play.
Could anyone verify this for me?
I am using EverythingPak build 311
Now on to the banjo jokes I'll start:
What do you call two banjos at the bottom of the sea? (scroll down for answer)
a good start!
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I checked and I don't have that RT. 
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Hi Robb,
#590 (simple banjo) plays ok for me with the given major chords. I didn't need to use the c2, g2, etc., chords to get it to work. I have build #313.
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Hi Robb,
Just tried #590 here and it works with the same simple chords.
*When BiaB does not do what it is supposed to do:
First thing I try is a Reboot of the PC, as it may be a situation where Resources got lost or messed up.
If the Reboot doesn't make things happen right, then I try Options -> Return to Factory Settings as sometimes internal files that BiaB must write to become corrupted.
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Reset and rebooted. The problem stil exists. Any suggestions?
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Upgraded to build 313, still no simple banjo.
I tried all 12 simple triads and none of them played. Then I tried appending each with a "2" A2, Bb2, B2, etc.. all of the "2" chords played.
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It has to be missing files. Or some files that can't be read. Can't work properly for one and not another. I'd either re-install, or call pgmusic.
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I am running the program directly from the PGMusic supplied drive. How would I find out if the files are missing?
BTW: The minor triads are not working either.
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Minor keys on a banjo, who knew!?
When did you get the hard drive?
Maybe you could list the number of tracks with banjo in them.
I'm not at my Windows machine and it's too late to travel downstairs.
Is it possible you erased styles and are using the wrong realtracks setting? There was an option to turn off fast generation, and another to use + or - files or some such thing. Did you mess with those settings?
If you have a fast machine and it copes you can erase files. Did you do that to the hard drive?
That's why now that the thing runs faster and sounds better, I erased the files after putting things on my primary hard drive and stashing portable one they sent me which is intact except I update it with new proven builds not in beta any longer.
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Thanks for trying to hel me with this John!
I purchased my EverythingPAK on the USB HD in December. I have not changed any settings, or intentionally deleted anything. I don't think my drive came with the +/- files (the drive reports 46 GB used).
I tried unticking the "speed up generation of RealTracks" box. Still a no go.
The day the drive arrived, I backed up the files to another USB HD. I just ran the program from the back-up drive and have the same problem. So if files are missing from the drive, that is the way it came to me.
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Did you try this with several styles? And which available instrument slot are you using? Or Soloist/Melodist? Are you using the A or B part marker? Could use a little more info to take this troubleshooting a little further.
Good luck.
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Hi Robb,
Did you run the PG Music setup program on the USB drive and then choose the option to run BIAB from the external hard drive?
Recently another person in the forum re-ran setup and it fixed their problems. It might be worth trying this.
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Noel
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You are absolutely right on this one. I loaded the following style that contains RT590: I tried this on 2 computers, did the factory reset, standard sound card, in other words nothing exotic. Everything is running on the hard drive, no external USB drive used.
_DOCBGMS.STY. Slow Bluegr. Mand. Solo (100 RS)
All RealTracks. Quintet.
RD: NASHVILLEEVEN8^8-HIHATO,RIDE :
RT592: Bass, Acoustic Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, Dow Tomlin
RT590: Banjo, Bluegrass Doc Ev 100 (Rhythm - Simple), Scott Vestal
RT598: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, PG Artist
RT820: Mandolin Soloist Bluegrass Ev 100, Andy Leftwich
My chords were a simple C-G-D-C straight 4/4 time in the key of G
When I clicked on play there is no banjo coming out of the speakers. When I clicked on SOLO, no sound came out of the speaker. I then changed the first 4 chords to C2-G2-D2-G2 and the banjo plays just fine. I then changed the chords to C2-G2-D2-C2-C-G-D-C. When BIAB played C2-G2-D2-G2 everything is fine but when it got to measures 5 through 8 (C-G-D-C) the banjo died again.
Then tried the following various chords where Y=I hear the banjo and N=I hear no banjo.
C2 - Y
G7 - N
D6 - Y
G13 - Y
Cmin - N
GMaj7 - Y
D9sus - Y
Gaug - Y
Csus - Y
Gdim - Y
Dm7 - Y
G5 - Y
C - N
G - N
D - N
G - N
I then loaded the following style which DOES NOT have 590 as part of the RealTrack and everything works just fine.
_BG_BNJR.STY. Bluegrass Pop (100 RS)
All RealTracks. Quintet.
RD: NASHVILLEEVEN8^2-SIDESTICK,HIHAT :
RT592: Bass, Acoustic Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, Dow Tomlin
RT598: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, PG Artist
RT589: Banjo, Bluegrass Doc Ev 100 (Rhythm), Scott Vestal
RT599: Mandolin, Rhythm Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, PG Artist
I then tried other bluegrass RT's that DO NOT contain 590 and it works just fine.
Almost Done: I loaded another RT that DOES contain 590
_DOCBG_F.STY. Med Bluegrass w Fiddle (100 RS)
All RealTracks. Quintet.
RD: NASHVILLEEVEN8^8-HIHATO,RIDE :
RT592: Bass, Acoustic Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, Dow Tomlin
RT590: Banjo, Bluegrass Doc Ev 100 (Rhythm - Simple), Scott Vestal
RT598: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, PG Artist
RT593: Fiddle, Rhythm Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, Andy Leftwich
And it also has no banjo when the same chords are played as listed above.
AND FINALLY I took a known good style which I always use and works perfectly on the banjo part on all chords:
_BG_BNJR.STY. Bluegrass Pop (100 RS)
All RealTracks. Quintet.
RD: NASHVILLEEVEN8^2-SIDESTICK,HIHAT :
RT592: Bass, Acoustic Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, Dow Tomlin
RT598: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, PG Artist
RT589: Banjo, Bluegrass Doc Ev 100 (Rhythm), Scott Vestal
RT599: Mandolin, Rhythm Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, PG Artist
and then changed RT589 to RT590 and it fails again on the banjo on the same chords. When back to #589 for the banjo and everything works perfectly again.
After all this testing, it certainly looks like the culprit is #590
I would classify this as a definite bug that needs to be looked at. Good find.
Last edited by jcland; 01/16/11 07:47 AM.
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Just tried one other test to satisfy my own curiosity
Loaded the same chord progression I used before and used the standard BISB MIDI Bluegrass style C_Jethro.sty and the song plays in all its glorious MIDI rendition on all chords I chose.
Then I substituted the MIDI banjo part with RT#589 and it plays the RealTrack portion just fine on all the following chords I picked.
C2
G7
D6
G13
Cmin
GMaj7
D9sus
Gaug
Csus
Gdim
Dm7
G5
C
G
D
G
I then substituted RT#590 and guess what, it fails on all the same chords as in the previous post.
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You are absolutely right on this one. I loaded the following style that contains RT590: I tried this on 2 computers, did the factory reset, standard sound card, in other words nothing exotic. Everything is running on the hard drive, no external USB drive used.
_DOCBGMS.STY. Slow Bluegr. Mand. Solo (100 RS)
All RealTracks. Quintet.
RD: NASHVILLEEVEN8^8-HIHATO,RIDE :
RT592: Bass, Acoustic Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, Dow Tomlin
RT590: Banjo, Bluegrass Doc Ev 100 (Rhythm - Simple), Scott Vestal
RT598: Guitar, Acoustic, Strumming Bluegrass Doc Ev 100, PG Artist
RT820: Mandolin Soloist Bluegrass Ev 100, Andy Leftwich
My chords were a simple C-G-D-C straight 4/4 time in the key of G
I used this example and was able to duplicate the same results. My version is build 313.
Brian
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Hi jcland, Robb,
I suggest that a couple of 8-bar comparison files are rendered and forwarded, with an explanation, to Support. I'd also draw their attention to this thread. It's sounds like this is a problem that they need to know about.
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Noel
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I sent it on to their tech support with a detailed explanation. No need to send them a file as I see it, all they need to do is enter a simple C-G-D-G progression and test it out like I did.
We will see what comes back.
Also to really satisfy my curiosity, I did the same progression using a Gypsy Jazz RealTrack, totally unrelated to Bluegrass and substituted RT #590 for one of the parts and of course it failed. RT #589 works just fine. Same results as earlier.
Not really sure how well a banjo went with a Django progression but who knows I might have just invented a new style of music.
Last edited by jcland; 01/16/11 12:39 PM.
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Just tried again with #590 banjo here and cold not duplicate those results.
I think you should send the file to support so that just in case they cannot duplicate those results either, they will have your file to take a look at.
I think I would Freeze the broken file to forward that to them.
This is not happening on all installs, apparently.
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Just tried the same style, and same chords, and it all worked just fine. Very curious!!
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Works fine on my system with all styles and in all instrument slots.
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