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I'm on the bubble regarding purchasing the Audiophile Pack, primarily for the Real Tracks.
I appreciate the help I've gotten to understand the pitch shifting issue!
One more thing I'm having a hard time getting my head around: 'Real Track Styles.'
I know what a style is in BIAB ... a combination of instruments for a specific genre. But when I look at the Real Track videos, they seem to identify/ describe a single Real Track instrument as a style. Does this mean the same thing as in BIAB that everyone gets loaded by that name and then there is a set accompaniment (presumably including other Real Tracks for the other instruments?) highlighting each Real Track Instrument Style?
I would have thought that there would be various Real Track Styles independent of the instruments ... which would have selected various Real Track Instruments to make up a band.
This also makes me wonder whether there are additional styles (in the BIAB sense) included with Real Tracks that can also have their Real Track instruments replaced by midi voices, if desired. I see in the Real Band videos that there is an observable compiled midi track that you can see under each Real Track.
Would someone please address these issues for me?
Thank you.
Prado
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Yes, RealTrack Styles have all the Real Instruments assigned to them such that you can load them in one shot via the Stylepicker.
There are also Realtrack style substitutions available for some of the good old MIDI styles. You can set that to automatically substitute a MIDI style with a corresponding RealTracks Style should one be available.
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Thanks Mac ... but I am still not getting it. Let me try one more time to make sure I'm asking my question precisely.
You are saying that every Real Track instrument is (or has) also a specific, individual Real Track style associated with it (with a prechosen accompaniment from other Real Tracks)?
And, if so, when you open that style, can you change any band instrument with a different available Real Track instrument ... as you can with midi voicing in BIAB? Or?
And is track freezing part of Real Track style ... so you can generate a song from a style, freeze the tracks you like and then open another style to change some of the instruments?
Finally, is there a list somewhere of which original midi styles permit Real Track substitution?
Thanks.
Prado
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I'm no expert on styles, but I think there are Realtrack styles (where you can get the style played with all realtracks in that style for all instruments, like piano, drums, bass etc)
I do not think there is a realtrack style for every realtrack (although every realtrack may be associated with a MIDI/Realtracks combination style)
Yes, in 2011 I believe you can generate tracks with a different stryle to experiment. This, to me, is easier done in Realband (which comes with BiaB for free) as in RB you can keep generating multiple tracks of the same Realtracks, get variations, and assemble a final track you like. The erase the old and do the same thing trying any realtracks you want with 48 tracks to work with.
I know of no list of substitute realtracks, it is available in the style picker and realtrack picker window.
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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And as regards the audiophile I believe that unless you are a really serious musician or have tones of money to spend the average end user wouldn't know the difference in sound between the audiophile and standard editions.
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And as regards the audiophile I believe that unless you are a really serious musician or have tones of money to spend the average end user wouldn't know the difference in sound between the audiophile and standard editions.
I agree with that.
However, for those who want the audiophile edition, it is good to have such available.
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HI again, Prado. Quote:
Thanks Mac ... but I am still not getting it. Let me try one more time to make sure I'm asking my question precisely.
You are saying that every Real Track instrument is (or has) also a specific, individual Real Track style associated with it (with a prechosen accompaniment from other Real Tracks)?
Well, I did't say that.
There are some RealTracks Styles available. However, not every RealTrack instrument has "specific, individual RealTracks style" - there are plenty of realtracks, soloists, rhythm parts, that do not necessarily also have a corresponding Style that goes with them. Please don't ask me for a count of what is where, there's a lot of 'em (grin). But it is good to have choices here.
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And, if so, when you open that style, can you change any band instrument with a different available Real Track instrument ... as you can with midi voicing in BIAB? Or?
You can change any Realtrack to another RealTrack from within a song that uses a Realtrack style qwuite easily. To change to a single MIDI instrument among the ones in a RealTrack style is possible, but not a one-click feature of the program. But I've done it by first freezing the parts desired from the Realtrack style, then changing the chosen style to the desired MIDI style that has a certain desired part in it and letting it play along with the song. The RealBand program that ships with BiaB is likely the better place to do that kind of mixing and matching, though, as it was designed for that kind of thing.
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And is track freezing part of Real Track style ... so you can generate a song from a style, freeze the tracks you like and then open another style to change some of the instruments?
Well, I've never tried to do it as a concurrent isntrument change, as in mixing instruments with ones from aother style that play at the same time. Simply because Realtracks picker offers another way to access all the sepaarated RealTracks from a list where you can invoke them one at a time. I do that instead. And again, there is also the Realband program, which can prove to be a wonderful asset along those lines once a user learns the basic likes and differences between BiaB and Realband. I often will start a song project in BiaB and at some certain point will then move the entire project over to RealBand for the real critical editing, highlighting and regeneration of just a small area of a Realtrack, adding my recorded MIDI or Audio tracks to the thing, etc. etc.
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Finally, is there a list somewhere of which original midi styles permit Real Track substitution?
A list is not needed. Because you can substitute single realtracks into ANY and ALL MIDI styles.
At this point I think you should stop trying to anticipate whatever and simply place your order and get the programs inhand and see what it is all about. Take advantage of the pgmusic 30-day no questions asked return policy, which is like getting a fully featured demo that saves work. Work with it every day that you can for that f30-day period, you should be able to see what it can do for you by the 28th day and then decide whether to keep it or send it back. That guarantee exists, I think, because most decide to keep it. But it is still an excellent way to find out the skinny concerning the types of questions you are asking.
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@Joemardo1 ... I could really only justify getting the whole RealTrack package if it was so close to production quality that even some pros couldn't tell the difference. I have a pretty good rig with decent Mackie monitors, acoustically treated studio, RME Multiface II audio interface, a couple of UAD2 quads, Onyx 800R (for piping my synths)and mics and preamps to go with them. When I look at my credit card statements it is a toss up between whether I am serious or crazy.  @Mac ... your advice is good and I'm all but certain I'll be following it. But I can't resist one final question. Does a RealBand style autoregenerate on each play ... or only if you force it to? In other words, does it work with the identical BIAB philosophy of 'real players never play it exactly the same' or something different? I do understand about track freezing and how to ensure you save something you like ... but even in demoing I'd like to know this as I'd have to lose something I really liked. FWIW I have viewed all the videos on RealBand on the website I could find. Prado
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No, you have to generate the part in order to get a different riff etc. The original generated part "sticks" in RB, unless you select that track and re-generate it on purpose.
The play button in RB will NOT re-generate any part when pressed.
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Thanks Trax. I'm sure I like that better.
I've always thought the play and replay buttons in BIAB should be reversed in function and then renamed play and regen. I understand people are used to it 'being the way it is' and the 'a real musician never plays the same way twice' thing, but it is counter intuitive for new users and something that gives BIAB a superficial appearance of being 'clunky.'
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