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BIAB 2011:
My goal was basically to re-mix a song that was constructed with BIAB 2008.5 and ACID.
The song consisted of a BIAB midi bass and drums backing track and live audio guitar recorded in ACID.
1. I opened the BIAB file from a few years ago.
2. I went into styles and selected one with Real bass and Real drums.
3. When I played the song it had duplicate bass and drums (different sounds, a total mess)
4. I called PG Music for help. The tech guy told me I could either go into Seq to edit out the Midi parts or better still, use Real Band to remove the midi tracks.
5. Seq showed no tracks to edit at all. I wasn't going to install Real Band at this time for this task.
6. On a whim, I clicked on Audio button in top right of screen and muted it. Now the 'midi' tracks were gone!!!
7. I went ahead and extracted the bass and drums parts to .wav files.
8. Brought them into Acid and played them back there. They both had a lot of noise in their sound and very little signal. Also, the drum part had clunks and other 'live' sounds recorded in them!
9. I went into Windows/Control Panel/Sound and changed my Audio/Sound recording from Logitech Microphone to Edirol UA-25EX.
10. I re-generated the file again in BIAB and then extracted the .wavs once again. This time the signal was much cleaner, though still not that strong.
How is it that simply extracting .wav files in BIAB turns on my Logitech mic to record live sounds AND mixes that sound with the BIAB song???
At what point did my midi tracks become audio tracks and why did BIAB mute the earlier audio tracks and leave the latest ones when I clicked the Audio mute button?
TIA
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Hi BIABGuy, Quote:
How is it that simply extracting .wav files in BIAB turns on my Logitech mic to record live sounds AND mixes that sound with the BIAB song???
This sounds like it might be more Windows related than BIAB related.
When you say "extracting" .wav files, how do you do this? Do you right-click on the individual track and then select "Save Realtrack as WAV" or do you go to "Audio" on the top menu and then choose "Render MIDI to stereo WAV file etc...".
What causes me to wonder is that what you describe sounds like your soundcard is set to record "What You Hear": at least that is what my Creative soundcard calls it. If your card is set to this (or equivalent), it will record both BIAB playing and the microphone (if the mic is turned on). If you want to check this, right-click on the speaker icon in the toolbar and the choose "Recording" and see what is set as "Default".
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P.S. If you change the soundcard setting, it's usually a good idea to exit and re-start BIAB.
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Hi BIABGuy,
When you say "extracting" .wav files, how do you do this? Do you right-click on the individual track and then select "Save Realtrack as WAV" or do you go to "Audio" on the top menu and then choose "Render MIDI to stereo WAV file etc...".
Sorry I used the wrong term. Instead of extracting I should have said rendering.
I click on the .Wav icon near the top which opens the Render to Wav file screen.
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What causes me to wonder is that what you describe sounds like your soundcard is set to record "What You Hear": at least that is what my Creative soundcard calls it. If your card is set to this (or equivalent), it will record both BIAB playing and the microphone (if the mic is turned on). If you want to check this, right-click on the speaker icon in the toolbar and the choose "Recording" and see what is set as "Default".
My soundcard is non-functional. It has a driver/hardware problem.
I went out and bought the Edirol UA 25-EX to act as my soundcard.
But the strange thing that I never figured out, is that even with my USB UA 25-EX not plugged in most of the time, I still hear sound!!!
I don't know how it's possible, but that's the way it is.
Yes it sounded like BIAB recorded both BIAB playing and the microphone.
But this perplexes me. Even if Sound recording was set to the Logitech mic (which it was), why was BIAB recording through my Mic? I thought the signals would be recorded like "direct in" rather than through a microphone when you choose 'Render to Wave'?
And how about BIAB muting one set of audio and not the other? What's going on there?
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My soundcard is non-functional. It has a driver/hardware problem.
Or so you think. It could still be functioning in a weird way. Have you gone to "Device Manager" and totally removed this card?If you get sound with the external card unplugged there are a couple reasons:
1.The internal card is still working to some degree
2.There are ghosts in your house
3.You're nuts, which I certainly doubt.
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My soundcard is non-functional. It has a driver/hardware problem.
Or so you think. It could still be functioning in a weird way. Have you gone to "Device Manager" and totally removed this card?If you get sound with the external card unplugged there are a couple reasons:
1.The internal card is still working to some degree
John I think you are right. I think my internal sound card must be working to some degree.
How else could I hear sound when my external USB sound card isn't plugged in?
But this is what I get when I click on Control Panel/Sounds/Hardware
and then Realtek AC'97 audio (my internal soundcard)
It says:
Device Properties:
Device Status: This device cannot start (Code 10)
This sound card is the only device listed under Audio Devices in Multimedia devices.
Every once in a blue moon when I start my computer (weeks/months) the driver for my sound card will load properly and I will see the Realtek icon and mixer available for tweaking, in the task bar.
Perhaps the rest of the time the sound card is able to use Windows' default sound drivers?
No I haven't totally removed the card in Device Manager for quite some time. A long time ago when I was trying to troubleshoot it, I did.
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Try downloading the drivers for that card and reinstall them. Test again.It also may be the beginning of a HW failure.
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BIABguy,
If you named your rendered tracks the same as your BIAB file (e.g. file.mgu plus file.wav) then the file.wav is always going to get played as the audio track. I have gotten burned by that myself in the past... You make some changes (or try to mute parts) and you find that you have "extra" parts :-)
As for drums being lower volume, I have found that I have to use the adjustment in the settings dialog for realdrums to bump them by a couple of dB to make them equal to the other tracks, or I have to boost them in audacity to use them in other projects.
hope this helps.
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An audio .wav of a BiaB file with the same exact name as the file minus the suffix, will play on the Audio track of BiaB when that song is loaded.
Saving or moving that .wav file to a different folder other than the one where the BiaB songfile of the same name is stored will also prevent that from happening.
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An audio .wav of a BiaB file with the same exact name as the file minus the suffix, will play on the Audio track of BiaB when that song is loaded.
Saving or moving that .wav file to a different folder other than the one where the BiaB songfile of the same name is stored will also prevent that from happening.
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You can turn it off altogether in Prefs (at least it says for mp3/wma files - maybe that doesn't include .wav files).
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My soundcard is non-functional. It has a driver/hardware problem.
I went out and bought the Edirol UA 25-EX to act as my soundcard.
But the strange thing that I never figured out, is that even with my USB UA 25-EX not plugged in most of the time, I still hear sound!!!
I don't know how it's possible, but that's the way it is.
BiabGuy, how can you be asking a pretty complex Biab question when you have an obvious driver/hardware problem with your computer? Please tell us the specific details of your system, CPU, Ram, HD size, O/S, all that stuff. We have to get your audio problems fixed before we can begin with your question. The fact you say "even with my UA 25-EX not plugged in, I still hear sound!!!" tells me with all due respect, you know next to nothing about digital audio and PC's. All you do is look at where your speakers are plugged in. If they're plugged into the audio output of your computer either at the back from the motherboard or from the front of your case, then the sound is coming from your computer, right?
It would be a good idea for you to learn some basics about using a PC for digital audio work. That will help you with complex audio programs like Biab or RB. A good place to go is Mac's website www.audiominds.com Click on the "Getting Started" tab in the upper left.
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BIABguy,
If you named your rendered tracks the same as your BIAB file (e.g. file.mgu plus file.wav) then the file.wav is always going to get played as the audio track. I have gotten burned by that myself in the past... You make some changes (or try to mute parts) and you find that you have "extra" parts :-)
Thanks very much Dave for this. I didn't know previously, that .wav files with the same name as the BIAB song file would play together. This explains what happened when I had a doubling of the bass and drum part.
Many things were happening there. One bass and drum part was "midi sounding". This was actually the .wav file.
The other bass and drum parts were Real Tracks. So when I muted the 'audio' I was effectively taking out the 'midi' parts. Weird to the max!
Lord only knows how I ended up having the midi parts saved as a .wav file!
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As for drums being lower volume, I have found that I have to use the adjustment in the settings dialog for realdrums to bump them by a couple of dB to make them equal to the other tracks, or I have to boost them in audacity to use them in other projects.
In my case the drums were lower in volume because I was doing the rendering with my logitech camera turned on!
Again, lord only knows why BIAB would use the mic from my camera as input, while I was doing a rendering of a BIAB song! 
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BiabGuy, how can you be asking a pretty complex Biab question when you have an obvious driver/hardware problem with your computer? Please tell us the specific details of your system, CPU, Ram, HD size, O/S, all that stuff. We have to get your audio problems fixed before we can begin with your question.
Bob I will answer each of your questions.
I do have a driver/hardware problem with my computer. It doesn't render it useless, I just make do with what I have. It's still quite functional.
In spite of that, I still can ask pretty complex BIAB questions. One does not obviate the other.
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We have to get your audio problems fixed before we can begin with your question.
I wasn't kidding when I said I could hear sound through my computer speakers despite the sound card drivers not working. Look my computer sound card is messed up. Here's the situation. My computer took a lightning hit a few years ago. Net result:
-One LAN port fried
-Internal USB ports recently became non-functional
-Sound card does not work with its drivers (strangely I get sound, so Windows drivers must work to some degree)
I did buy a mb replacement recently (exact same mb but haven't installed it). I just may do it if needed.
I've gotten by, by buying a USB internal card, using my second LAN port, and buying the Edirol UA-25EX.
Though I rarely use the Edirol. Most of the time I use my USB Logitech speakers and whatever sound my internal sound card and Windows gives me.
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The fact you say "even with my UA 25-EX not plugged in, I still hear sound!!!" tells me with all due respect, you know next to nothing about digital audio and PC's. All you do is look at where your speakers are plugged in. If they're plugged into the audio output of your computer either at the back from the motherboard or from the front of your case, then the sound is coming from your computer, right?
Not true. While I freely admit that there is a heck of a lot I don't know about computer audio (as shown by my Edirol midi experience) I do have basic knowledge.
Your statement above actually shows a bit of a narrow-minded approach to computer hardware.
No, my speakers are not plugged into the audio output of my computer, either at the back or from the front of the case!
They are, in fact, plugged into a USB port!!!
Somehow that USB port must be connecting to my internal soundcard because I hear sound, despite the soundcard drivers not working/ being loaded. I just spent the entire day today trying to get the drivers working, but finally gave up again.
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It would be a good idea for you to learn some basics about using a PC for digital audio work...A good place to go is Mac's website www.audiominds.com Click on the "Getting Started" tab in the upper left.
Thanks Bob I will have a look at it.
Again, while I admit there are obvious gaps in my computer audio knowledge, I do know a midi cable from an RCA cable from a phono jack from a USB cable etc. etc. etc.
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....In my case the drums were lower in volume because I was doing the rendering with my logitech camera turned on!
Again, lord only knows why BIAB would use the mic from my camera as input, while I was doing a rendering of a BIAB song!
Well, it also contains a USB sound device. Now, if that is the sound device selected in BiaB, then Biab will faithfully attempt to use it.
If tha logitech camera uses a generic "class compliant" driver, meaning it is true plug 'n pray and you did not have to install any drivers for it in order to use it, then the BiaB list of available sound devices is not likely to be able to identify the camera as anything other than, "USB sound device" or the likes and it may be confusing your selection, thinking you are selecting your true USB sound device when youa re not.
Make sure your aftermarket USB sound device is plugged into the same USB port every time and make sure it is plugged in, turned on and recognized by your system *before* starting up BiaB. This is important.
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Thanks Mac that was helpful.
Let me tell you my sound setup so you can understand my system better.
When I open WinXP/Sounds and Audio Devices/Audio
I have just one choice for Sound Playback: Logitech USB Speaker
and one choice for Sound Recording: Logitech Microphone (Messenger).
I have one choice for Midi music Playback: Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth.
Once in a blue moon (less than 1% of the time) my internal sound card's drivers load and they are presented as a choice for recording (RealTek AC'97)
For Voice playback: once again only Logitech USB speaker presents itself.
For voice recording: only Logitech Microphone (Messenger) shows itself.
My Logitech camera/mic is always plugged into a USB port. It shows up in Device Manager under Sound, video and game controllers and is using its own drivers.
When I open BIAB and go into Midi/Audio Drivers Setup, I have under Midi Input <No Midi/sound input>, that's it. (When I plug in my Edirol UA 25-EX, it also shows up here)
Under Midi Output Driver I have:
<No Midi/sound output>
Microsoft MIDI mapper
Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth
(When I plug in my Edirol UA 25-EX, it also shows up here)
Most of the time, I was using VST/DXi Synth and had that box checked off, for Midi. With my recent DXi midi rendering problems it is currently unchecked.
For Audio settings I have:
Audio Driver type:
MME
Latency 488 mS
Audio Drivers:
Audio input driver:
Microsoft Sound Mapper
Logitech Microphone (Messenger) (there's the culprit!)
Audio Output Driver:
Microsoft Sound Mapper
Logitech USB speaker
That's it!
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I may be wrong but don't think so. You can't render without a legitimate sound card installed.
Why don't you dump that machine and get something that hasn't been hit by lightning and start playing music? And as Bob stated you're all over the place with your questions. The only thing you should be doing at this point is opening BIAB, press play( forget about entering any more chords then the default C ) and making it make sound.
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BiaBGuy, there are several problems there, for one having a Logitech mike is always going to be problematic. It is a USB device that will act as a sound card, and not one made for recording. As Mac pointed out USB "class compliant" devices can be somewhat confusing to a system program like BiaB that is looking for devices to input and output sound. So with two USB devices for the output, and input devices, both trying to supply a clock to the system, so timing can go awry, and neither is really made for that type of process. The Logitech mike is made for stuff like skype and IM programs, not recording audio.
If you have a edirol interface, you need to unplug the other stuff and plug it in before turning on the system to record, and allow windows to see that and make sure that this is the input and output devices. Use it as a dedicated sound card, and forget other items. On my system I use an M-Audio sound card, and it handles all my sound for BiaB, and even any windows and other music noises i might make.
Get a real mike and plug that into the edirol, and also plug in any speakers to the edirol. Get some non USB speakers and a non USE mike and let the Edirol interface and it's drivers control the system.
Most of your problems will go away.
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I may be wrong but don't think so. You can't render without a legitimate sound card installed.
Why don't you dump that machine and get something that hasn't been hit by lightning and start playing music? And as Bob stated you're all over the place with your questions. The only thing you should be doing at this point is opening BIAB, press play( forget about entering any more chords then the default C ) and making it make sound.
John it's not nearly as bad as I seem to be making it sound.
First off, because I use BIAB in fits and starts (sometimes I won't use it for many many months etc.) I forget many basic things. And when I come to some not-so-basic things as with my recent rendering experience etc., unless I make specific notes to refer back to, I could forget them quickly too.
I suppose I should change my name to "part-timeBIABguy". 
I did render last night with a sound card (an external one).
Or at least the midi module was connected to this external sound card and then the sound card was connected to my computer. Whether the computer ultimately used the internal sound card with Windows' own drivers, is beyond me. I freely admit I don't know.
I do have a replacement motherboard ready to be used if need be. It's just that it would take hours to set up and unless there's an urgent need for it (say I totally lost my sound etc.) it's not something that's a priority for me now.
The fact is that currently, when I open BIAB I am able to hear sound, without entering anything more than a C chord.
As a matter of fact, for my current project of re-mixing some old 'BIAB tunes' (replacing the midi tracks with real tracks) I have been successful with two songs already.
The interesting thing was that I had no problem rendering my new Real track replacement tracks into wave files (which I import into my audio software).
I had problems rendering a midi track!
Also, I started off my project with a BIAB file that was loading a .wav file (same name) unbeknownst to me.
That threw me for a real loop! (no pun intended)
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BiaBGuy, there are several problems there, for one having a Logitech mike is always going to be problematic. It is a USB device that will act as a sound card, and not one made for recording. As Mac pointed out USB "class compliant" devices can be somewhat confusing to a system program like BiaB that is looking for devices to input and output sound. So with two USB devices for the output, and input devices, both trying to supply a clock to the system, so timing can go awry, and neither is really made for that type of process. The Logitech mike is made for stuff like skype and IM programs, not recording audio.
If you have a edirol interface, you need to unplug the other stuff and plug it in before turning on the system to record, and allow windows to see that and make sure that this is the input and output devices. Use it as a dedicated sound card, and forget other items. On my system I use an M-Audio sound card, and it handles all my sound for BiaB, and even any windows and other music noises i might make.
Get a real mike and plug that into the edirol, and also plug in any speakers to the edirol. Get some non USB speakers and a non USE mike and let the Edirol interface and it's drivers control the system.
Most of your problems will go away.
I agree.
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First off, because I use BIAB in fits and starts (sometimes I won't use it for many many months etc.) I forget many basic things.
I completely agree with you here. If I don't open Biab for 6 weeks, I'll forget some simple basic thing too.
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I do have a replacement motherboard ready to be used if need be.
You need be. The time is now, I'm amazed your PC does what it does.
The really big, major point here is you can't use comsumer crap like that Logitech mic for what is very close to pro audio work. Pro's use good equipment specifically designed for the task at hand. Also, everybody and their musician brother will tell you it's a very good idea to set up your PC for music production only. All your other household things can still work but they're secondary. Your focus has to be digital audio as explained on Mac's site and that's it. When was the last time you went into a Fry's or Best Buy and found a big name computer being advertised as great for multitrack digital audio music production as opposed to multimedia, gaming, graphics editing, Office 2010 and it's wonderfull spreadsheets, all that crap that has nothing to do with running a $500 DAW program? The answer is you won't. None of those companies care about that because we are a very small percentage of the market. It's up to you to understand this stuff and to set up your PC for this kind of work.
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First off I want to say a big thank you to folks like Rob, John, Mac etc. here! You really do help me understand BIAB and all of its wonderful potential. Quote:
BiaBGuy, there are several problems there, for one having a Logitech mike is always going to be problematic. It is a USB device that will act as a sound card, and not one made for recording. As Mac pointed out USB "class compliant" devices can be somewhat confusing to a system program like BiaB that is looking for devices to input and output sound. So with two USB devices for the output, and input devices, both trying to supply a clock to the system, so timing can go awry, and neither is really made for that type of process. The Logitech mike is made for stuff like skype and IM programs, not recording audio.
Thanks for this info about the Logitech camera! I did not know that it was actually acting as a sound card.
That could possibly explain why I'm getting out of my Logitech USB speakers (I have both a Logitech camera and Logitech speakers).
To be clear. I wear two hats with my system. One hat is 'everyday Joe', who is very very content with listening to .mp3 files or watching Youtube videos with sound coming from my Logitech USB speakers.
In fact I prefer listening to this audio this way. I'll explain why shortly.
The second hat is worn by 'Joe musician' who is very serious about music. Joe musician has very sensitive ears though, and while the fidelity of music played through his Edirol UA-25EX/Electrovoice ND 257 mic/amp/mixer/Tannoy speakers/etc. is much much better than the tinny sound he gets through his el cheapo Logitech speakers, he prefers listening to all his computer music through them. He gets annoyed by the hums of his amp, power adapters etc. and prefers the hum-free, quiet, tinny Logitech speakers to them.
When I use BIAB it's mostly to get my bass and drum tracks ready for export to Reaper or ACID etc.
When they're ready, I render them and out they go. Once they're imported to Reaper/ACID etc. I plug in my guitar amp to my Edirol (direct) and record my guitar part.
Again all of this is done through my tinny el-cheapo Logitech speakers. In the end, once I get a good finished product and want to impress myself or a friend, I will turn on my amp/mixer and play the song back through my Tannoy speakers. That's just me.
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If you have a edirol interface, you need to unplug the other stuff and plug it in before turning on the system to record, and allow windows to see that and make sure that this is the input and output devices. Use it as a dedicated sound card, and forget other items
I think the above will make it clear why I don't do this. In fact it's the other way around. My Edirol is left unplugged most of the time and only plugged in when I want to record my guitar.
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On my system I use an M-Audio sound card, and it handles all my sound for BiaB, and even any windows and other music noises i might make.
This has got me thinking now. I have a couple of sound cards that I forgot about.
A Digidesign AMIII sound card that cost me over $1000 many years ago and an el cheapo $20 special '4-channel' sound card.
Over the years I tried a few times to get my AMIII to work with Win XP but for some reason I just couldn't do it. A driver problem.
I'm sure my el cheapo would work though. Maybe I'll dig it out for fun.
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Get a real mike and plug that into the edirol, and also plug in any speakers to the edirol. Get some non USB speakers and a non USE mike and let the Edirol interface and it's drivers control the system.
Most of your problems will go away.
See above.
BIABguy
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XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs Special Extended Until August 31st!
The XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs special offers are now available until August 31st at 11:59pm PDT!
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XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-9 includes 900 styles!
Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). With over 3,500 styles (and 35 MIDI styles) included in Xtra Styles PAKs 1-20, the possibilities are endless!
Get the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Windows or for Mac.
Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
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Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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Mac 2025 Special Upgrade Offers Extended Until August 15th!
It's not too late to upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® and save! We've extended our special until August 15, 2025!
We've added many major new features to Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, including advanced AI tools like the amazing BB Stem Splitter and AI Lyrics Generator, as well as VST3 plugin support, and Equalize Temp. Plus, there’s a new one-stop MIDI Patches Picker with over 1,100 MIDI patches to choose from, all neatly categorized by GM numbers. The MultiPicker Library is enhanced with tabs for the SongPicker, MIDI Patch Picker, Chord Builder, AI Lyrics Generator, and Song Titles Browser, and the tabs are organized into logical groups. The Audiophile Edition is enhanced with FLAC files , which are 60% smaller than AIFF files while maintaining identical audio quality, and now ships on a fast 1TB SSD, and much more!
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Purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac during our special to save up to 50% off your upgrade purchase and receive a FREE BONUS PAK of amazing new Add-ons. These include the 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK, Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana, Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes, MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano, Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7, Playable RealTracks Set 4, RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark, and more!
Upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and add 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and 20 RealStyles, FLAC Files for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks, Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster, MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster, Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8, and RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe.
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs!
New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2025!
We’ve expanded the Band-in-a-Box® RealTracks library with 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 449-467) across Jazz, Blues, Funk, World, Pop, Rock, Country, Americana, and Praise & Worship—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Blues & World (Sets 449–455):
These RealTracks includes “Soul Jazz” with Neil Swainson (bass), Mike Clark (drums), Charles Treadway (organ), Miles Black (piano), and Brent Mason (guitar). Enjoy “Requested ’60s” jazz, classic acoustic blues with Colin Linden, and more of our popular 2-handed piano soloing. Plus, a RealTracks first—Tango with bandoneon, recorded in Argentina!
Rock & Pop (Sets 456–461):
This collection includes Disco, slap bass ‘70s/‘80s pop, modern and ‘80s metal with Andy Wood, and a unique “Songwriter Potpourri” featuring Chinese folk instruments, piano, banjo, and more. You’ll also find a muted electric guitar style (a RealTracks first!) and “Producer Layered Guitar” styles for slick "produced" sound.
Country, Americana & Praise (Sets 462–467):
We’ve added new RealTracks across bro country, Americana, praise & worship, vintage country, and songwriter piano. Highlights include Brent Mason (electric guitar), Eddie Bayers (drums), Doug Jernigan (pedal steel), John Jarvis (piano), Glen Duncan (banjo, mandolin & fiddle), Mike Harrison (electric bass) and more—offering everything from modern sounds to heartfelt Americana styles
Check out all the 202 New RealTracks (in sets 456-467)
And, if you are looking for more, the 2025 49-PAK (for $49) includes an additional 20 RealTracks with exciting new sounds and genre-spanning styles. Enjoy RealTracks firsts like Chinese instruments (guzheng & dizi), the bandoneon in an authentic Argentine tango trio, and the classic “tic-tac” baritone guitar for vintage country.
You’ll also get slick ’80s metal guitar from Andy Wood, modern metal with guitarist Nico Santora, bass player Nick Schendzielos, and drummer Aaron Stechauner, more praise & worship, indie-folk, modern/bro country with Brent Mason, and “Songwriter Americana” with Johnny Hiland.
Plus, enjoy user-requested styles like Soul Jazz RealDrums, fast Celtic Strathspey guitar, and Chill Hop piano & drums!
The 2025 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2025 49-PAK!
Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box 2025 for Mac!
With your version 2025 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Or upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2025 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 33 new RealTracks and 65+ new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 29 new RealTracks and 45+ new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 20 new RealStyles.
- Look Ma! More MIDI 13: Country & Americana
- Instrumental Studies Set 22: 2-Hand Piano Soloing - Rhythm Changes
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 44: Jazz Piano
- Artist Performance Set 17: Songs with Vocals 7
- Playable RealTracks Set 4
- RealDrums Stems Set 7: Jazz with Mike Clark
- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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