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Hi, Im posting my problem again with a different heading! I have BIAB 2011.....only had it a week...and Sonar 2.2 (had it YEARS!). I have a file..... C_Hag.....with some Midi instruments & some Real Tracks. I'm slowing down the last four bars from 155 to 90. It seems to work well in BIAB. When I try to open it in Sonar,in ANY of the usual ways.....Audio tracks are OK.........Midi tracks don't slow down.....in tempo right to the end. I've tried every way I can think of....none works! Has anyone experienced anything like this.......or can help with a suggestion. It would seem to be a DAW problem....but why? I've used similar endings like this over the years....before I had Real Tracks & RealDrums. It must be something I've done....but??!!  Thanks, Joe G.
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How did you get the file from BiaB to Sonar? Drag and drop?
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Hi Rharv, I dragged & dropped....both with & without freezing. And I also exported from BIAB into a new folder I set up specially for that. No luck. I've just had a PM from our friend John (Skyline)....who suggests I may need to do the the ritards in Sonar also.....that I DEFINITELY will need help with!  Do other experts agree? Joe G.
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Joe,
Keep in mind that the "expert" title has only one meaning, and that is the number of posts you've made.
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After what has been suggested...a bit more info on my BIAB file.
Expanded file is 104 BARS........tempo 155
At BAR 101 slow to 140.
At BAR 102 slow to 135
At BAR 103 slow to 100
At BAr 104 slow to 90.
Any assistance welcomed! Joe G.
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Bob, I would NEVER question the title!......or risk upsetting anybody.......I need all the help I can get....as far as I'm concerned an expert is anyone who knows more than me!  Regards, Joe G.
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Thanks to John's suggestion.....back to the Manual  .....I managed to work out how to alter the tempo at the appropriate bars...I now have a file where the Midi & Audio both do as I asked..........I've saved it quickly ...in case it changes it's mind! Thanks to all. Joe G. ****Someting else I've learned today
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Joe,
Why oh why do you even bother with that quirky outdated piece of software.You have the perfect thing for what you do in Real Band.I have a friend that continues to fight with Sonar as opposed to digging into RB.Sonar is an excellent program, the new versions like 8.5 anyway, but they are very difficult and complex for the average user.I'm probably as experienced as anyone here and I've totally abandoned Sonar even though I'm completely comfortable using it. RB is just easier to use and does everything the average person wants.
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John,What do you mean....."outdated"?.....it's only 10 years old!!  Seriously, one of the reasons I've stuck with Sonar, is, that my friend who helps with my recording projects uses Sonar....(although he has regularly updated!). But I do take your point about Real Band.........I've had a good look....and tried out a few things in it. I know a lot of you guys, who know their stuff, have changed over......I'll really have to experiment properly....(if I remember the Manual is only 298 pages!) There goes more instrument practise time. AND......it also means I'll be back here many more times. Regards, Joe G.
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Your midi has to read the tempo changes so you need to type in changes in the events list. I still use Sonor 1.1 and it still edits midi just fine ,only mine came with a 1" thick book. Some times it hard to get a straight answer here .
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I’m not sure about Sonar 2.2 but in Sonar 5.2 there are two ways to import midi files. If you have Sonar open and import a midi file into a Sonar blank midi track, the tempo track changes will not be imported. The midi file will follow Sonar’s midi tempo track. However if you click on a midi filename and have Sonar open it, that is have your midi files associated with Sonar, the tempo track will be imported. You could import your midi files first using this method then load your wav files and all should be OK.
Like I said I don’t remember if this works on Sonar 2.2 but it may be worth a try.
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Thanks Mario, Another thing I can try! The changes I made are fine, but it would be good to have another less complex way. Joe G.
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Tommyc, A fellow "Luddite" ! No, there's a lot of tongue in cheek comments at times.....but for real, expert assistance, the guys here will never let you down. There really all some "real brains" here! Over the years I've had them solve all sorts of musical & PC problems.......I'm sure you'll find the same situation. Joe G.
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Drag and Drop as one track at a time will not bring along the MIDI Tempo Map data.
That is because the data you want is not embedded into each track, but is embedded when saved as a Standard MIDI File.
Saving as a .MID file in entirety should bring that data along with it, if the host program you are using is able to recognize the Tempo Change Data.
When using a mix of Realtracks plus MIDI tracks, you likely will have to save the MIDI tracks all together as a .MID file and then open that first in your sequencer. Give it a quick playback to make sure the Tempo Data got there and is working, then use Drag and Drop or Export method to bring the Realtracks into the sequence.
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Mac, Thanks! It's my learing curve again.Joe G.
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Mac, Another thought on that method. The BIAB set-up at the moment, also creates the .WAV files along with the Midi.Should I disable that? Joe G.
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Mac & Mario, The export & drag/drop worked perfectly with another tune with rits........midi had the info. Many thanks. Joe G.
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Mac & Mario, The export & drag/drop worked perfectly with another tune with rits........midi had the info. Many thanks. Joe G.
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