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need help and advice on this one...... i can no longer get the proper driver support for my soundblaster audigy 2zs platinum pro(its a looooong story)....i need some new gear but i don't know what to get,here's the probs..... i have the subwoofer and the 5.1 speakers in working order which was very very good for led zep dvds and pc music in general (youtube and cds and stuff) sometime down the line i may want to record stuff on my pc with my guitar ( maybe sonar producer or something) and i understand that a quite different type of speaker and audio interface is required for that job? is there a good card available that i could use my speakers with and have the sound come from ALL the speakers as opposed to just the two channels?(the new driver support will not let me upmix my sound to the 5 desk top speakers)creative lab "support"is legendary BTW if i bought a set of the studio speakers for DAW would the led zep dvds sound any good on them,would i get that nice bass reponse that i got from my old subwoofer? my old card has died and i can find nothing to relace it with.i am prepared to spend some money. i have just bought BIAB, GUITAR PRO 6(which is just great) and a whole new PC set up except for the sound card!! this is me old kit.....i am NEVER going with creative again http://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Labs-Audigy-Platinum-Pro/dp/B0000ERWGB
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There are plenty of good quality sound devices to pick from these days.
If you really dig what you got from the subwoofer setup, consider moving to a good nearfield monitor 2.1 setup and amp system or speakers with built in amps.
2 stereo speakers plus subwoofer.
Your ledZep should sound as good or better that way, plus mixing your own guitar will be a LOT simpler when dealing with the two channel stereo output (the subwoofer will just enhance bass response for both) rather than adding the complication of trying to do surround sound mixes that will have to translate to many other listener's systems well.
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There are plenty of good quality sound devices to pick from these days.
If you really dig what you got from the subwoofer setup, consider moving to a good nearfield monitor 2.1 setup and amp system or speakers with built in amps.
2 stereo speakers plus subwoofer.
Your ledZep should sound as good or better that way, plus mixing your own guitar will be a LOT simpler when dealing with the two channel stereo output (the subwoofer will just enhance bass response for both) rather than adding the complication of trying to do surround sound mixes that will have to translate to many other listener's systems well.
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is ther a link you can point me to for this type of set up?
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Get one of these with a set of BX series speakers - http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/SBX10.htmlI like BX8a deluxe. http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/StudiophileBX8aDeluxe.htmlAlthough I find the subwoofer not very 'necessary' with the BX8a's for recording, you may like it for DVD's. The BX8a's get down to the low 30Hz range on their own. The sub would cover about 32 down to 20. The sub would carry more load if used with the BX5 series. As for soundcard, are you using the PCI slot still? If so M-Audio cards have great support. My 1010lt has reliable drivers for win 7 (64 & 32 bit), vista and XP available.
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Get one of these with a set of BX series speakers -
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/SBX10.html
I like BX8a deluxe.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/StudiophileBX8aDeluxe.html
Although I find the subwoofer not very 'necessary' with the BX8a's for recording, you may like it for DVD's.
The BX8a's get down to the low 30Hz range on their own. The sub would cover about 32 down to 20. The sub would carry more load if used with the BX5 series.
As for soundcard, are you using the PCI slot still? If so M-Audio cards have great support. My 1010lt has reliable drivers for win 7 (64 & 32 bit), vista and XP available.
hi and thanks...:)
what about these CX5s?
http://www.musicradar.com/gear/all/recording/monitors/studiophile-cx5-223966/review
...and the 1010lt sound card,is that all i would need for my BIAB guitar pro DVDs and general sound duties?
i take it the sound card is the internal one like the audigy? i like the look of the card . is compatable with the CX5 speakers?
one last question my friend....if i wanted to go to recording guitars at a later time down the road i would still need an audio interface .yeah?
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...and the 1010lt sound card,is that all i would need for my BIAB guitar pro DVDs and general sound duties?
one last question my friend....if i wanted to go to recording guitars at a later time down the road i would still need an audio interface .yeah?
Nothing else needed....
That 1010lt will serve as the input from your guitar and/or vocal mic and/or mic'ed or midi drum set and/or mic'ed guitar amp and/or midi keyboard, for doing any and all recording you would need. The 1010lt is a PCI card which inserts into you PC, if you have the right PCI slot. Also works great with GuitarPro 6.
i actually disable my internal PC sound card - although both can run at the same time.
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...and the 1010lt sound card,is that all i would need for my BIAB guitar pro DVDs and general sound duties?
one last question my friend....if i wanted to go to recording guitars at a later time down the road i would still need an audio interface .yeah?
Nothing else needed....
That 1010lt will serve as the input from your guitar and/or vocal mic and/or mic'ed or midi drum set and/or mic'ed guitar amp and/or midi keyboard, for doing any and all recording you would need. The 1010lt is a PCI card which inserts into you PC, if you have the right PCI slot. Also works great with GuitarPro 6.
i actually disable my internal PC sound card - although both can run at the same time.
i have seen lots of reviews on the USA Amazon site stating that the sound card is not very good with Windows 7 
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i have seen lots of reviews on the USA Amazon site stating that the sound card is not very good with Windows 7 i had another look at the speakers (CX5s).they are a little too rich for my blood £560 a pair! jeeezzz.....is there an.... ahem...a cheaper alternative with the proper connections for that sound card?
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The soundcard works fine here with the latest drivers. I'm aure there was a period in time where people had issues with Win7 when it first came out, and most complints I saw were older, from it was first released. I know others using it in Win 7 with no problems also, same new drivers. * ins and 8 outs. With some work you could set up a pseudo 7.1 system (using all 8 outs). In theory anyway. The guys I know that have the card love the ease of use and the flexibility inside the 1010lt mixer. It's a seperate routing scheme that works great with PGProducts in our experience. As for speakers; the BX8a Deluxe can be had for $349 or so a pair if you look around. Great value there. Incredible detail is what I noticed .. oh, and they are loud. I rarely get mine even close to half volume. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/54...eluxe_130W.htmlNot many bad reviews on these out there these days, lots of compliments. The CX5 is discontinued in the familiar places I look. Some places have cut the price in half on remaining stock. Not a good sign. BX8a has been around a while and continues to sell well.
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The soundcard works fine here with the latest drivers. I'm aure there was a period in time where people had issues with Win7 when it first came out, and most complints I saw were older, from it was first released. I know others using it in Win 7 with no problems also, same new drivers.
* ins and 8 outs. With some work you could set up a pseudo 7.1 system (using all 8 outs). In theory anyway. The guys I know that have the card love the ease of use and the flexibility inside the 1010lt mixer. It's a seperate routing scheme that works great with PGProducts in our experience.
As for speakers; the BX8a Deluxe can be had for $359 or so a pair if you look around. Great value there. Incredible detail is what I noticed .. oh, and they are loud. I rarely get mine even close to half volume.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/54...eluxe_130W.html
Not many bad reviews on these out there these days, lots of compliments.
yeah i have been reading about the BX8As.......say i bought them and was unhappy with the bass response would i be able to add a subwoofer at a later date with the available connections?
oh, i have already seen today on evil bay the sound card you mentioned for CHEAP!
you have been a great help thanks...now i have this cooker...........:)
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The BX8a are part of the system the subwoofer I llinked was designed for. The website mentions it being designed for the BX series monitors, which includes BX8a and BX5a. You may like the 5a's as they are smaller and not so loud. But yes, the subwooder can be added later. It has been done many times.
For most work here I do not use the subwoofer, but I can see times when it would be nice, like DVD's.
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Rharv if i went with the smaller BX5As what matching subwoofer would you recommend for me by M Audio?
re: the sound card i can plug me guitar in there. right?
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As far as that soundard, it's a steal for most musicians. The ability to record 8 audio inputs at once (or 16 or 24 or 32 if you chain more cards together) is valuable. I bought the card, and a 32 channel mixer that has 8 subgroup out and found I was in demand because I could record a performance. It had to be submixed usually to get down to 8 tracks, so I did things like put 6 mics on the drums, mix them as a stereo subgroup and record them to two tracks, but I got it done. Then I got a second 1010lt and sync'd them, and by using the 8 AUX outs from the mixer I could now record 16 tracks in a live setting. The equipment paid for itself in a couple years. Now I usually just use one card and record bands in the studio (I hate moving the system around). I do have both cards installed and hooked up to a 48 slot patchbay. First sixteen slots are 1010lt inputs, from 48 on down are the 16 outputs. Makes things easy for connecting. The mixer is usually wired up for use with all the ins, but like I said; when I record in a studio setting I rarely need that many ins so I only enable one card. If you needed even more in's you could connect the guitar players amp and keyboards digitally using the s/pdif inputs and thus having 10 in's per card. 8 audio and 2 digital. That's why they call it the 1010 instead of the 8/8 
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Rharv if i went with the smaller BX5As what matching subwoofer would you recommend for me by M Audio?
Same one I linked earlier; it was designed by m-audio for those speakers.
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/SBX10.html
"Designed for use with the M-Audio CX and BX Deluxe series"
I'd suggest getting 'BX5a Deluxe' if available as opposed to BX5a (older)
There was BX5, then BX5a then BX5a Deluxe and each is an improvement (same with the 8 series). The 'Deluxe' improvement was a big improvement for the 8a series in reliability. 5a's didn't seem to have the same issues.
The 8's also take quite a bit more room, need to be ready for that if you go that route. 5's are smaller which works better for many people. I built a custom desk for the 8's so they sit in the right spot for me when I am working.
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i have seen lots of reviews on the USA Amazon site stating that the sound card is not very good with Windows 7
this is indeed unfortunate. I have to admit that while my M-Audio is working fine under Win 7 there is indeed a lot of rumbling on the web about their Win7 drivers.
they have recently released a new beta:
Beta Version: Delta Series Version 6.0.5
Release Date: March 14, 2011
Applies to: Delta 44, 66 (OmniStudio), 410, 1010, 1010lt, Audiophile 24/96 & 192 devices.
Operating Systems Supported:
(32-Bit) XP SP3, Vista SP2, Windows 7
(64-Bit) Vista SP2, Windows 7
But the complaining continues (even I would not change to the update since what I have is working for me). have to admit if I was in the market I may look elsewhere. 
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The most recent complaint I see at Amazon is dated August 6, 2010 ..
Not sure I would worry much about complaints about the new OS drivers a year ago ..
The complaints have let up since then, which is about the time the drivers were released.
Just sayin'
This is almost expected response for an existing card on a new OS. I know a few Win 7 (64 bit) systems that run it just fine with new drivers. M-Audio has been top-notch with driver support in my opinion.
YMMV
Where are you seeing the complaining still?
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No trouble at all on my system using Windows 7 Pro 64-bit and the M-Audio Fast Track Pro.
BIAB 2026 Win Audiophile. Software: Fender Studio One 8, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6, Song Master Pro, Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Fender Quantom HD8 & Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors.
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afore i go to bed for the nicht........i see M audio getting a bad rap for their speakers too (bx5a model, including the deluxe)......something about an unresolved design fault, like bad caps...it's all there on the net.
thanks for all your input guys
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Where are you seeing the complaining still?
Over in the M-Audio Forum...
http://forums.m-audio.com/forumdisplay.php?36-Delta-Series
Here is the most recent word from M-Audio on the subject of Delta Drivers for win7 just days ago..
Delta Driver 5.10.00.5076 Posted 05-31-2011
Hello Delta Community,
Our latest Windows Delta driver release (Installer Package 6.0.5 with Driver 5.10.00.5076) was posted to solve a compatibility problem with newer series motherboard chipset and CPU combinations from Intel. The problem identified was a low level distorted audio occuring with Core2Duo and i-Series processors. The sound in question resembled bacon sizzling while. Despite this one fix, we here in the Test and Customer Support groups stressed pretty heavily over whether or not to release this driver to full release knowing that there are other outstanding issues with the driver.
We felt that the severity of the issue was great enough to push this to full release for those users wishing to use the card in newer system configurations. The outstanding issues already identified by our customers are still being considered for possible future releases.
We encourage you to download and use this new driver and continue to provide us feedback on your experiences with this driver over the previous releases.
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Sounds like m-audio is being pretty upfront and honest with it. Actually, for a support site, the problems reported are not very alarming to me.
I can only imagine being in the position of responsibility for compatability with new chipsets and such.
I usually research a bit on the system compatability before purchasing. But I know others that haven't, and their new off the shelf Win 7 64 systems are working fine with the newer 1010lt drivers.
Personal experience, YMMV
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Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
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Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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