|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716
Journeyman
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716 |
Seems that every midi style I've tried will play a minor riff piano pattern at some point over a Maj7b5 chord. I'm not using real tracks so not sure if it applies to those as well. (Easy to determine by setting up a one chord file) Surely some kind of bug here.
Alan
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,323
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 1,323 |
Alan, I just tested some styles, and they all work fine. But I discovered some strange things. For example, for the MIDI style grace.sty, piano track is correct, I mean we do get Xmaj7b5 chords, but for the guitar track play a Xmaj7 chord.
Have you some names of styles that don't work ? Did you do a 'Retun to Factory settings', it often solves many looking bugged situations.
Reach for excellence
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716 |
Hi John Luke, thanks for the suggestion, I'll try it. I'm testing most of the modern jazz style set just now and they all have the same problem.
As for the guitar tracks only playing a Major, that's a familiar issue I'm afraid. You'll often find they're using masks for riff patterns which don't distinguish between major and altered major. I've asked about this before but nothing has been done.
Best regards
Alan
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 15 |
I highlighted an issue recently with rendering files to WAV from BIAB 2011 (Build 318). Someone said the problem was because I was using ASIO rather than MME for my audio driver - changed to MME, restarted BIAB and tried rendering a song - exactly the same result - the real tracks/real drums become out of synch with the midi tracks, BUT only after a tempo change bar. It's as if the real track/drums can't cope with it. Everything works fine on playback direct from BIAB, only on the rednedered WAV file is there a problem. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333 |
only the rendered wav file is problem.
There is a method that comes to mind. I often open Audacity and let the song play through, fix and fade in the intro and outro and adjust other parameters there.
The advantage to this is you can start the recording in Audacity, go back to Band in a Box, play the file (I use replay after playing and adjusting it) and record it to a stereo track. In fact I have sent just drums or bass to separate tracks in Audacity and then I can change other things on each track.
Just a suggestion.
And if you didn't know Audacity is free.
John Conley
Musica est vita
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,648
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,648 |
Do you have the realtracks updates? Not the prgram, the realtracks ... I seem to recall the tempo change issue was a fix at one point
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 15 |
Yes, all the updtaes have been applied. I recall this problem happened around BIAB 2006/7 issue, with that in mind, I completely uninstalled BIAB and started again when I purchased 2011 - just in case. The real tracks are mostly new (purchased and downloaded in the last month or so) only the real drums are older, but as you say, the patches I have downloaded haven't helped at all. Just seems really strange that playing 'live' direct from BIAB works ok, only when I render a song is there a problem, and only then if the song has a rit. in it. If it's the same tempo all the way through the render is perfect!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,633
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 20,633 |
Boz,
An alternative way of making a WAV file (as opposed to rendering) is to use the Audio track in BIAB. Set the soundcard to "Record what it hears" (the actual name varies from card to card), then record audio in BIAB. The audio file will be saved to the directory that you're working in and will have the name of the SGU/MGU file.
Also, I notice rharv mentioned the Realtracks update. I've had a look at the support page and there's always an update for "RealDrums Sets 1-29 Updates - since June 2008 (230 MB)". I mention this just in case this update slipped by.
Regards,
Noel
Last edited by Noel96; 07/12/11 06:56 AM.
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 15
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 15 |
Mmmm... Can't see why it just won't do what it's supposed to, it always did on the older version of BIAB, I wonder if there's a glitch on 2011?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026 |
I know what you mean Alan at least with midi it's easily changed with editing . In real band I sometimes regenerate just a section until it plays something suitable . I'm totally lame when it come to chord substitution do you know a sub for maj7b5 chord ? Do you think a Cmaj7b5 as B7sus/C sub maybe that would send a different message for the riff patterns?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
B7sus/C would add an A that isn't in the Cmaj7b5 chord.
Bsus/C, no 7, would spell out from bottom to top as C,B,E,F# and would at least contain the same notes. Likely would sound best if the Style used an Open Voicing...
This might be a case where BiaB is being given a chord that doesn't make sense to the underlying ruleset. Often is the case where the *location* of a given chord within the other chords around it seems to have something to do with how BB handles these things.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026 |
Thank You I see it now great substitution ! Seems to work so far ! 
Last edited by Tommyc; 07/12/11 07:58 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716 |
Yeah i like that one too! It's really strange though why this should happen. it could be based on what the other chords are but if this were true it's not a very logical choice for it to make (minor over altered major!) nor does it alter according to different songs/contexts.
The option in miscellaneous settings - " riff voicing type uses chord tones (or not)" should have helped but didn't.
I just think it would be better if you could configure the chord masks yourself so you'd have more control over where riff patterns occur. The way things are just now you will likely get Dorian riffs playing over mMaj7 or bland unaltered mixolydian riff voicings against complex and tense altered chord like C13susb9#11.
I may try the option to force a transposition according to chord type, but this involves changing each and every chord riff in every style I use. Again a more effective macro would be good to have .
Last edited by alan S.; 07/15/11 06:22 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
|
Anonymous
Unregistered
|
Quote:
Someone said the problem was because I was using ASIO rather than MME for my audio driver - changed to MME, restarted BIAB and tried rendering a song - exactly the same result.
Again with the drivers... How in any way would the piece of software that tells the OS to interact with the sound card have anything to do with the program generating an incorrect chord?
Drivers have NOTHING to do with 95% of the issues posted here. That has become the "go to" answer for everything. By definition, a device driver is a computer program allowing higher-level computer programs to interact with a hardware device. It has nothing whatsoever to do with how a software program executes.
If your chord is not being generated correctly, there is a bug in the software, not the hardware outputting the sound. The driver for your sound card can not change and F# to an F natural.
Your sound card driver is a drinking straw that puts out what is put in. You can't put coffee in and get milk out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026 |
I bet there are more subs than Bsus/C for Cmaj7b5 that would be great on a sticky. Kind of a theory on a stick for the musically challenged like myself . I know about the sub feature but if in contained a little more knowledge of chord structure and scale modes that would help . If you don't C# you'll Bb !
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 716 |
I was thinking along these lines myself, sort of an 'inversion reference chart'. I might have a go at it when i have time.
Other CMaj7b5 subs would be F#7susb5/C, and maybe Em9/C. you have to be careful to listen to the playback though. These chords could end up being embellished by the program in ways which have nothing to do with your intended use of them as inversions of Cmaj7b5. So if you're doing these workarounds It's best to set piano embellishments to zero in the style editor
re the drivers issue. I'm not sure if the poster understood my question or else posted his problem in the wrong thread.
Best regards
Alan
Last edited by alan S.; 07/16/11 05:29 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 4,026 |
I have found a sub to remove the maj3 on an E7aug9 (probably spelled wrong I'm no-school not old-school) G6/E , but it won't work in endings . Even the bass refuses to play the E and plays G. Maybe be just another quirk ! I don't how drivers ended up in a chord problem thread ,still better than notespam ! lol
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
That sub doesn't remove the third, it does change it from Major third to minor third, though. And the dom7 would also be missing in action.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Last Chance! The Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® Special Ends Today (May 31, 2026) at 11:59pm PDT!
Time really is running out! Save up to 50% on Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrades and receive a FREE Bonus PAK—only when you order by 11:59 PM PDT today!
We've added many major new features and new content in a redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Version 2026 introduces a modernized GUI redesign across the program, with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, and a new Dark Mode option. There’s also a new side toolbar for quicker access to commonly used windows, and the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, making it easier to customize your workspace.
Another exciting new addition is the amazing new AI-Notes feature, which can transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI. View the results in notation or play them back as MIDI, and choose whether to transcribe an entire track or transcribe specific parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
Upgrade your Band-in-a-Box for Mac® to save up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 upgrade packages!
Plus, when you order your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac upgrade during our special, you'll receive a Free Bonus PAK of exciting new add-ons.
If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Special Offers Extended Until May 31st!
Good news- we've extended our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® special offers until May 31, 2026!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 is packed with major new features, enhancements, and an incredible lineup of new content! The program now sports a sleek, modern GUI redesign across the entire interface, including updated toolbars, refreshed windows, smoother workflows, a new dark mode option, and more. The brand-new side toolbar provides quicker access to key windows, while the new Multi-View feature lets you arrange multiple windows as layered panels without overlap, creating a flexible, clutter-free workspace. We have an amazing new “AI-Notes” feature. This transcribes polyphonic audio into MIDI so you can view it in notation or play it back as MIDI. You can transcribe an entire track (all pitched instruments and drums) or focus on individual parts like drums, bass, guitars/piano, or vocals. There's an amazing collection of new content too, including 202 RealTracks, new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two RealDrums Stems sets, and much more!
There are over 100 new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®.
When you order purchase Band-in-a-Box® 2026 before 11:59 PM PDT on May 31st, you'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK packed with exciting new add-ons.
Check out the Band-in-a-Box® for Mac packages page to find the best package for you.
Holiday Weekend Hours
It's Victoria Day Long Weekend in Canada. Our Customer Service hours are:
Saturday, May 16: Closed
Sunday, May 17: Closed
Monday, May 18: 8:00am - 4:00pm
Regular hours resume Tuesday, May 19th!
Today's the Last Day of the Band-in-a-Box 2026® for Mac Special!
Order before 11:59pm PDT today (May 15, 2026) to save up to 50% off your Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® upgrade and receive a FREE Bonus PAK loaded with great new Add-ons to use with this new version!
Don't wait - order today!
Check out all the new features in the redesigned Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac - Special Offers End at 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th, 2026!
Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.
If you have any questions about which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We're here to help!
202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics86,438
Posts805,130
Members40,121
| |
Most Online64,515
Apr 8th, 2026
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean