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Hello. Will Band-In-a-Box be compatible with the new Apple OSx Lion by the time it comes out in July or should we wait for BIAB to test it first?
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Yes, Band-in-a-Box 2011 has already been tested, and works fine on Lion.
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Peter Gannon
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Peter, what about us who have 2010.5? Is Lion compatible with last years versions?
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Just loaded Lion on my iMac. BIAB runs fine but crashes when I try to save files as audio. What gives?
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Which version of BIAB are you using?
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I'm using BIAB 2011 and I just downloaded the 2011.5 upgrade but I still have the crashing problem when I try to render audio
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Thanks. I'm waiting for Peter G's response. Certainly there will be a fix for this issue. Lion has only been out a few days including the weekend. I have not installed Lion yet, but I am anxious to do so. Steinberg (Cubase 6) just gave the okay, but haven't given the okay for their hardware yet.
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I just purchased BIAB 2011.5 - and tried to install it over Lion, which I had installed first - and no go ("...because PowerPC applications are no longer supported). Is there a way around this - or will I need to wipe the disk, reinstall Snow Leopard, then BIAB, then upgrade again to Lion?
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BIAB 2011.5 for Mac isn't a PowerPC application (nor is version 2009, 2010 or 2011). It's a native IntelMac app, and installs to Lion just as it did for Snow Leoparad and other OS's. Versions prior to 2009 were PowerPC, so they would be no-go on Lion, because Rosetta is not included (or available) by Apple. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3205007?start=0&tstart=0If you run Lion, but still want to use an old version of Band-in-a-Box (pre 2009), then one of your only options is a dual-boot SnowLeopard/Lion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJhT3HAGog8&feature=youtu.be====================================================
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Hello, If you get the time please send the crash log to support@pgmusic.com referencing this thread so we can take a look. Thanks, Rob.
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>>> I'm using BIAB 2011 and I just downloaded the 2011.5 upgrade but I still have the crashing problem when I try to render audio
We haven''t heard about any crashing problem when saving to audio with 2011, and have just heard about your report now. I have just tried it on Lion and it worked fine. We cannot duplicate any problem, on Lion or previous OS's.
Please provide more information:
- "crashes" when, with every song, MIDI or RealTracks?,
- what driver are you using for MIDI sounds "DLS synth" or CoreMIDI?
- When does crash happen, when you press Render?, are you rendering to AIFF, m4a or MIDI
- Try returning to Factory Settings, by quitting BIAB, and renaming your Applications/Band-in-a-Box/Preferences folder
- do you have admin privileges on your account? Maybe you don't have write permission to the destination render folder?
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Thanks for your suggestions. I will try them all and I will send the crash log as soon as I can get to my computer (probably this evening).
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I'm having a couple of issues since installing Lion: -BIAB almost always crashes when I quit. I've already sent in a crash log to support@pgmusic.com.-When I export individual tracks by dragging them to the desktop, I no longer get an actual midi file, but an alias that points to a midi file in the /Applications/Band-in-a-Box/DragDrop/ folder. This isn't a crippling problem, but it is a little inconvenient.
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<<< -BIAB almost always crashes when I quit. I've already sent in a crash log to [Email]support@pgmusic.com.[/Email] Haven't seen that issue before on Lion. We have several installations w/Lion. What MIDI Driver are you using (the built-in sounds, or Core MIDI?) <<< -When I export individual tracks by dragging them to the desktop, I no longer get an actual midi file, but an alias that points to a midi file in the /Applications/Band-in-a-Box/DragDrop/ folder. This isn't a crippling problem, but it is a little inconvenient. Right, that's actually one of the 250 new "features" in Lion. Files are no longer allowed to get dragged out of the Applications folder, and since BIAB is in the Applications folder, it considers a Drag to the Finder to be part of this new "feature." Arrghh.... The workaround is the same one that you use when in the Finder in Lion, which is to hold down the Command Key during the drag. Then things work like they used to, which is that you get a full file and not an alias. (or drag to a folder within Applications folder, or drag directly to the DAW). We'll work on a better solution in the future that doesn't require holding Command. On a separate note, you should download build 36 patch, as that fixes a sync issue between RealTracks and RealDrums that can happen on Lion (and Snow Leopard). http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=325663&an=0&page=0#Post325663
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<<< -BIAB almost always crashes when I quit. I've already sent in a crash log to [Email]support@pgmusic.com.[/Email]
Haven't seen that issue before on Lion. We have several installations w/Lion. What MIDI Driver are you using (the built-in sounds, or Core MIDI?)
Built-in (Apple DLS Synth).
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Right, that's actually one of the 250 new "features" in Lion. Files are no longer allowed to get dragged out of the Applications folder, and since BIAB is in the Applications folder, it considers a Drag to the Finder to be part of this new "feature." Arrghh....
Your sarcasm ( new "features") is misplaced, especially as you are the owner and developer of biab. What you could have done for the last few years is follow normal OS guidelines for locating your program files, rather than insisting on keeping the c1995 paradigm. Most other developers have moved on, and thus have no need to be sarcastic and say stuff like "Arrghh..."
User documents don't belong in the applications folder, and the app should be a in package, containing all the files and plugins biab requires to run. User created or edited docs belong in user directories.
While biab is a truly amazing application for it's styles implementation, it appears you guys are unaware of what's going on outside biab world.
Steve
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Sent the crash report
Crashes EVERY time
Using DLS but also crashes using Core Midi
Renamed the preference folder as you suggested - still crashes
Rendering to AIFF file
I DO have read/write priviedges to the render folder
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Thanks Pat
The crash report shows it crashing deep in the guts of quicktime apparently because it can't load a quicktime symbol from your system files--
Dyld Error Message:
Symbol not found: _ValidateAudioChannelLayout
Referenced from: /Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeComponents.component/Contents/MacOS/QuickTimeComponents
Expected in: /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime
That is many calls deep into quicktime after MacBB has called a quicktime file function.
MacBB has already finished rendering AIFF files, and is beginning to normalize them.
So MacBB tries to open the AIFF file just created (in order to normalize and re-write). It crashes after calling into quicktime when opening and loading the file.
MacBB has already verified that the AIFF file exists on your hard drive before it gets this far. So it isn't some simple "file not exists" issue masquerading as a quicktime fault.
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A first-stab at a workaround would be to un-check the normalize box in the render dialog. When you drag-drop files, MacBB also respects the setting of the normalize box in the render dialog. So if the box is not checked, it will never try to normalize any files.
Hopefully it will render without crashing with normalize disabled.
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The second question is how to determine what is wrong with your quicktime. I believe the Lion systems which PG Music owns, do not have any customized quicktime installed.
The rendering works on those systems. I don't know if they have tested Render with Normalize turned-on in Lion. I will ask.
Have you installed QuickTime Pro or some other mod/upgrade to QuickTime?
If some previously available entry points in QuickTime are now dead, I'm surprised that MacBB works at all because it calls those same functions to load all the realtracks and realdrums.
Thanks
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James,
Thanks for your suggestions. When I unchecked the normalize audio button and it DID stop the crashing. I can normalize in another audio program but it's a shame this can't be corrected in BIAB. I don't have Quicktime Pro installed to the best of my knowdledge. Is there a preference file of some sort that I can change or scrap?
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On 4 other versions of Lion that we've tested, it works fine with normalize turned on (or off). Perhaps you could try re-downloading and installing QuickTime, since those error reports indicate that some parts of QuickTime are missing. For example, un-installing programs have been reported to have removed parts of QuickTime - maybe that happened? So far yours is the only report of an issue like this.
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