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Good points, John. Hmmm, is that once or twice I've agreed with you this year? 
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Keep this up and your rep is down the tubes!
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I think Tommyc is on the right track here.
How many of us have kids or grandkids that would dearly love a suggestion
as to what to get us for Christmas or Father's Day (although 2011.5 missed that one by a bit this year) or even a birthday for that matter?
And if you have a "significant other", they may be equally happy with getting you a BIAB upgrade as a gift. Mine is ecstatic when she doesn't have to shop for me, to try and "guess" at something I "might" like. So I go ahead with the upgrade and we're both happy.
As an aside, I only upgrade once a year at Christmas.
Nothing pressing for me that can't wait 6 months.
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I used to own a alarm company, and i would go out to give someone an estimate for an install. I would every once in a while get the "Wow that is a lot, I was hoping it would be less" They would quote some ad from the radio or paper for a $199 special. sure if you want the front door and the back door only great go for it. Interesting statistic Of all those $99 or $199 or $399 specials offered, the average end sale was $1,495. No one could run a business selling $199 specials, in fact the sales managers would have their heads if they sold those with any consistency. It was a get what you paid for issue. I knew what it took to keep my business open, with insurance, bonding, licensing, gas, truck repairs, materials, labor, and other cost.
What has this to do with PG music. Here once again is a get what you paid for situation. If you upgrade every 6 months you spend a certain amount of money, every year a different amount of money, every two years even more so, but you get what you paid for. The program and features you want, when you want them. I am sure PG charges what they can get for what they offer, and it is not an unfair price. It might be a lot in this economy for some, but certainly not a lot for what goes into it. They know there business model, and the cost there in. They offer what the bring to market, for a price they can be successful with.
It is like any thing we purchase, we have the option to buy or not. You can go to a expensive 5 star steak and seafood rest, or Denny's. It is up to your budget. If you can afford the 5 star, great. If not don't suggest they lower their prices, To accomodate your budget, get a Grand slam and be happy. I want to own and update several programs, and also want a lot of gear, sadly it is not all in the budget, so my upgrade money goes to PG, since i get the most bang for my buck there. Two years ago i could not afford one upgrade and let it ride. My choice, i had to pay a bit more the next time around.
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I Thought Denny's was 5 star?
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It is like any thing we purchase, we have the option to buy or not. You can go to a expensive 5 star steak and seafood rest, or Denny's. It is up to your budget. If you can afford the 5 star, great. If not don't suggest they lower their prices, To accommodate your budget, get a Grand slam and be happy.
I should let this go because it is an extremely valid point. However, I am a smart ass my nature, so.....
Get ready for it....
On my birthday on June 27th, I had breakfast at IHOP, lunch at TGI Fridays, dinner at Denny's and a scoop of ice cream at Baskin-Robbins on my way home. And I didn't spend a penny all day.....
So the punch line is, if I order BIAB on my birthday, is there a birthday freebie?
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Hi Silvertones, I didn't mean that as an insinuation by naming the topic Pricings getting further out of reach?. I just mean that $299 for an upgrade for Audiophile is pretty expensive but that's probably the best that PG can do. I just got Cubase 6 for $169 Cdn. but I don't have to worry about another upgrade probably for a year or two. For $299 US I've got to decide whether it's worth it for me that's all because the way I use it is fairly minimal as I explained earlier in the thread. And I've never been happy with the MIDI side of things, it just doesn't generate much that is useful for me. Another interesting program that is also pretty expensive is Rapid Composer. This program is supposed to generate phrases, but it looks like a huge learning curve and they seem to be developing it as they go.
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John, Denny's is not 5 star, it is more "moons over my hammies!"
Eddie, did you get all that off the senior menu!
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I COULD have used the senior menu, but it was birthday freebie day!! 3 meals and dessert and I spent not one penny!!!
(Well, I left tips....)
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Hi Silvertones, I didn't mean that as an insinuation by naming the topic Pricings getting further out of reach?. I just mean that $299 for an upgrade for Audiophile is pretty expensive but that's probably the best that PG can do. I just got Cubase 6 for $169 Cdn. but I don't have to worry about another upgrade probably for a year or two. For $299 US I've got to decide whether it's worth it for me that's all because the way I use it is fairly minimal as I explained earlier in the thread. And I've never been happy with the MIDI side of things, it just doesn't generate much that is useful for me. Another interesting program that is also pretty expensive is Rapid Composer. This program is supposed to generate phrases, but it looks like a huge learning curve and they seem to be developing it as they go.
299$ is indeed pretty expensive considering that the audiophile user has to shell out considerably more at the outset for that version. Considering the price of hard drives nowadays and how easy it is to image a drive with the audiophile files I would have thought that $199 would be a more realistic price.
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299$ is indeed pretty expensive considering that the audiophile user has to shell out considerably more at the outset for that version. Considering the price of hard drives nowadays and how easy it is to image a drive with the audiophile files I would have thought that $199 would be a more realistic price.
Well, let's get back to one thing here. To a guy with the choice of driving the Hummer or the BMW to work, $299 is nothing. To me with a Kia Rio, it is borderline expensive. To the guy with the 1999 Pontiac Sunfire, $299 is off the charts. Money is always relative. I lost my job in May and have NOTHING, so $2.99 would be expensive right now, much less $299.00.
The point is how much utility you get for your dollar. For what BIAB does, if you use it to it's fullest and use it every day, it is a bargain. To a guy who goes to his attic music studio and spends 2 hours up there once a month, not so much. Also consider how much a standard sequencer like Sonar costs and what BIAB does that Sonar doesn't.
This whole discussion is kind of moot because $300 doesn't mean the same thing to everybody.
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Hi MarioD,
I know this is way off the topic, but I'm really glad you post what happenned with your truck.
When it happenned to my Pontiac, I thought well maybe it's tune up time or it's just showing it's age.
My Pontiac was really peppy. I loved having that decent sized car and I could zip around if I need to.
Then since I always kept track of my gas milage, I saw it go down into the teens and never come back up. I was really heart broken I thought now I have a slower car and it guzzles gas too. I spoke to my mechanic and he told me it was the ethanol. I never even knew they were putting it in the gas. It was in the gas up here in upstate NY for a couple of years before they put stickers on the pumps saying ethanol.
So now I have an 18 yera old Bonneville in almost Excellent condition that runs like a pig.
Without gas prices going up, we all got ripped off.
Sorry bout my rant, but they ruined my car and many others. My neighbor has an old Cutlass that's beautiful and now it runs like a dog.
Wayne,
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Another little thing that annoys me is when a new user appears say around october or november and asks about the program, not many long time uers say "hey buddy its a great program but Please if you can wait to christams time and buy it in the sale you will save $$$$$$$ that way" Its as if its a well kept secret that first time visitors are not allowed to know.
I beg to differ.
MANY of us who post here often have taken the time to explain this to new coustomers.
We also try to explain that purchasing the largest package that you can afford, that includes ALL the styles is the much better option.
On top of that, if you upgraded or purchased within 30 days of a new release, PGMusic has been dynamite about giving you the new program for the cost of the older one.
Yet there have been those who did not pay heed and then complain...
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Redguitar - you have a PM.
Walmart had to remove 50,000 milk cartons from their store.
The labels have to be changed from "open here" to "open at home"
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299$ is indeed pretty expensive considering that the audiophile user has to shell out considerably more at the outset for that version.
For a new buyer, the closest equivalent to the audiophile version is the Everything Pack and the Audiophile is only $100 more expensive than that, ($669 compared to $569). Maybe that is considerably more, I don't know. I do know for certain that I paid $199 for my audiophile upgrade during the sale, and considered it worth the money.
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Considering the price of hard drives nowadays and how easy it is to image a drive with the audiophile files I would have thought that $199 would be a more realistic price.
I don't claim to have your knowledge about how cheaply a company could go about buying hard drives from an outside vendor, buying and maintaining imaging equipment, hiring talent the likes of Brent Mason to record music, do the recording, engineering, software development, marketing, sales, shipping, video production, software support, website maintainence, and still sell a hard drive full of great stuff for 199 bucks but if you know how to do it, I'll put up the money and we can go into business together.
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To run a business the size of PG ( i looked them up) take money. If you sell 5000 upgrades @ $99 each that is only $495,000 deduct the cost of hiring players, paying office staff, code writers, and tech support, building lease, insurance, taxes, phone, computers, lights, and many other things that gets burned up very fast.
I think the whole point of this thread, is that difficult times have hit many of us. Economic troubles are everywhere. We sometimes get frustrated when the very hobby we love become expensive to us personally.
Just remember there is not reason to upgrade if you can't afford it at the moment. Just really enjoy the version you have.
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If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
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