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Hi All, I'm experimenting with BIAB 2011.5 MegaPak
I definitely want to change real tracks within a song. I have found that it's possible in the chord sheet (as long as you don't try it on measure 1 (the main style will overwrite your change). It seems like the support for this is in it's infancy. The song gets confused quickly and unless you create a separate document, it's hard to remember what realtrack is playing at a given time. Nothing on the chord sheet tells you. The only way I have found to recover the information is to select the measure where you made the realtrack change and select [bar settings] [realtrack], and there it is.
One option might be to make your own real track styles. PG's web page says, ”Choose from pre-made Band-in-a-Box Styles, or combine RealTracks instruments to make your own band.”... Well this isn't going well.
There doesn't seem to be any support in style maker for real tracks. The manual says to hit the misc button in style maker to see what real styles are assigned in a real style. I don't see it. Does anyone else use stylemaker to make real bands?
The other possibility may be the hybrid style creator. But that seems buggy, I can hybridize bass and drums from other styles, but as soon as I bring in any other realstyle, the resulting band seems to revert to midi only. And this would be only marginally useful in the case where the source styles have conflicting use of instruments. Has anyone had luck with this?
Is anyone creating real styles, or does everyone use the same band all the way through the song? Am I missing something?
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Some of us do these things later in the process using Realband. You can try out any realtrack on any section of the song..
Those of us that do that will get the style set (basicly) in BiaB and the chords written out, then open the BiaB file using Realband. More intuitive for some users and you sound like you may be one of those users.
Taking nothing away from BiaB, mind you. It does some things much better and faster than RB, but for this type of workflow you described I think you'll like it. Came free with BiaB
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Thanks for the quick response rharv.
Actually I have an old version of BIAB if I want to work in MIDI. I was hoping to compose while hearing the improved fidelity of realtracks. It has a psychological effect on me and I think better. For one thing, I don't change chords as frantically if the sound is pleasant, I just hang on the chord and enjoy the feeling. Either that or I lack imagination.
So, does anyone know how to make real styles as PG seems to claim on their web pages??
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I meant we don't bother trying to create a 'style' per se, we just use whatever realtracks we want at any point in a song regardless of so called style being used. Thus combining realtracks to make our own realband
Last edited by rharv; 07/31/11 05:37 AM.
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I can understand wanting to have a STYLE of particular instruments that you can retrieve at any time for another song. Piece of cake.BTW you have to make the style in BIAB
1.Styles/Style Maker/New-Make a New Style
2.Give it a name and location and save-The style maker screen will now open
3.Click on MISC
4.Bottom left check off to use RealDrums
5. Click RD button
6. Choose the RD you want to use.
7.click MORE
8.Below "Assign Soloist[MIDI] or Real Tracks[Audio] to style" are 2 drop down menus
9.In the first drop down assign what slot in BIAB you are assigning the RT to.
10. In the next drop down assign the RT you want to that slot.
There seems to be a little issue I just discovered. The RTs should be a different color from the MIDI but they are not. RTs start at 361.
11. repeat 9&10 until finished
12. click OK
13.Click OK
14. Click SAVE or SAVE AS.
It's best to save into the bb folder as then in the STYLE PICKER you can add your SYLE to a USER made CATEGORY for easy recall. If you don't want to do that it'll show up in OTHER STYLES
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I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
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Thanks for the help gentlemen. Silvertones, your “step by step” advice is spot on. If this is in the manual, I sure can't find it (except for that reference to the MISC button).
One related question: when I import a RealDrum style, playback is spotty. Sometimes I hear nothing except the clickoff. Sometimes I hear the correct RealDrum style, but only on the first pass through a repeat, then silence. Do I need to do anything else like play around with the weightings?
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This causes a lot of confusion. Real Tracks Styles are not Styles at all in the traditional sense.
A standard midi style is a style that can be written note for note and given the weighting that tells Biab how to play that style. This is the main reason Bob Norton won't write his styles for Real Tracks because you can't use them to create note for note specific licks like you can with a midi style. RT's are prerecorded audio files and the regular style making functions have no effect on them. RT "Styles" are really just demos of what a certain combination of RT's can sound like and as we all know we can mix and match them any way we want. The only thing you have control over with a combination of RT's is the tempo and key sig. They're prerecorded so no Style making is involved.
Someone posted a good way to keep track of these combinations. Create a simple 8 or 12 bar demo song using a given set of RT's and name it whatever you want. Since it's a song not a Style you're not restricted to the cryptic Style naming convention. The name can tell you exactly what it is and then save those songs in a separate directory. Call it RT Styles if you want but again, they're not Styles at all. When you open one up delete or overwrite the chords you used originally and remember to do a "save as" with a new name.
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