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I have a question. I rarely use the solo feature, but when I do, when I got the solo I want, if I saved the file would the solo be the same or would it regenerate the next time it was played in BIAB.
When I get the solo I want, I convert it to a MIDI file right away. I makes an exact note for note MIDI file with the solo. By making a MIDI file the solo never gets lost.
When I make a song and each time I play it it regenerates something that I want to keep. So I keep making copies until I have over 10 of the same song sometimes, and then I just pull the tracks I need out and put them into another fresh PTPA song. Then in PTPA I render the MIDIs to wave and then have the wave file to play with.
I think I may have gotten lost.
What was already stated here is that RealBand is PowerTracks with some BIAB features. I think a lot of people think RealBand is BIAB with some PTPA features.
I use Powertracks and BIAB. I never seem to have any luck doing BIAB work in RealBand. I don't want to do BIAB work in RealBand. It never comes out the same for me. So I just stick to the 2 main programs that PG music made.
For me PTPA is still superior to RealBand. I'm speaking for myself, not for anyone else. So don't get all RealBand on me.
If I expressed anything wrong here, point it out to me, I'll come back and correct it. I haven't done anything with the software for over a month at the moment, so I'm just going by my memory and notes I make when I work on a song. I make so many copies of the same song, sometimes with just a single note changed, I have to make notes or I get lost. Then there are other songs, I do in one take and that's it. I tend to Sing and play Guitar in one take on all my songs. I just can't get into a groove when I dub in parts. I play it straight through and if it doesn't work I do it again. I don't fix anything. It kills my performance. I recard the way I used to perform live.
When RealBand came out, PTPA didn't break. Since RealBand came out Powertracks hasn't lost anything. It's still the same program, worth 10 time the price as far as I'm concerned.
Wayne, (jeesh, another rant, sorry)(hope I'm not in trouble again)
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With 2010.5 there is now an indication that recording is taking place. The track will be turning red. If it was turning red & it asked if you want to keep the take. IT WAS RECORDING TO THAT TRACK in theory. Do two things:
first try and record as you did. Then RT click on the track and choose "select whole track" rt click again and and choose: audio effects/gain change/ using the drop down choose normalize. Now do you see the wav form? Yes? Good. No do as Rharv says.Choose all input devices and see what happens.
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...or you decide not to use RealBand.
Based on the thread title, I thought that was the conclusion here.
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Options - Preferences - Audio tab - Drivers button
Click that path, then select evreything listed for input (by highliting each one) and THEN record onto a (blank) stereo track in RB.
You should get a bunch of tracks that show each driver and what it is receiving. RB 'automagically' records each enabled driver to its own track in series and in the order (from top to bottom) of the enabled drivers from the Drivers window you just visited. If you enable them all, we can see where the signal is going.
Drivers 'drive' devices so this is how you select devices (and inputs) in RB.
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Wayne,
Oh, I'm gonna get all 'Realband' on ya. 
PT is a crippled Realband. Plain and simple. It IS a good DAW, but compared to RB it is nowhere near the power.
Of course you need some Realtracks to realize this in use .. otherwise they are exactly the same!
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I have no clue.
Now we're getting somewhere. I've said it once and I'll say it again. It may sync in. You are a self proclaimed computer expert and thus these programs should be child's play to you. This is your attitude. WRONG.
When you get this simple fact & stop talking down to folks that can run circles around you with these programs things will start to come to the front.
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If you record ALL available drivers (and hence devices) you will know if RB is seeing anything at all.
make sure the checkbox for L,R or L&R is set to 'L&R' in the "Options-Preferences-Audio tab" area
Click the Drivers button and select every available driver (device) by highliting them all
go back to RB Tracks window and select a blank stereo audio track
If you go to "Options-Preferences-Audio tab-drivers" and see more than one instance listed for M-Audio 1/2 then it's possible multiple drivers are installed and causing problems. If you see only that input and nothing else listed I'd say the drivers are wrong for your device (even if they work in Sonar).
First of all, please do not take my frustration with this product that I like very much but isn't yet working the way it is intended as anything BUT frustration. I am a NICE guy who laughs all the time, except when something that I should be able to understand and fix doesn't work. All those settings in the quoted section of your message are here in this screen shot. From what I see from your words and my screen shot, everything is as it should be.
Audio setups
Note that on the audio input drivers on the left side I can not move it to the top. The move button only moves the output side.
If more screen shots would help, I would be THRILLED to scrape and send. I DO appreciate you guys trying to help me. I only hope that you can understand the frustration as I am on DAY THREE with this. Again, please do not take my frustration as anything BUT frustration.
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I gotta head out from work and have a dentist appointment this evening, but after I get home, I'll try to post some screen shots and ideas later this evening (assuming RHarv hasn't figured it out yet, as he often does).
I've got the Fast Track Pro, with a Behringer mixer driving it (as opposed to your Mackie), so we should have a somewhat similar configuration. Mine's on a laptop, though, not a desktop, but I don't think that should matter.
I'll see what I can do to help you figure this out as long as your willing to work on it.
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On the left side of your pic (inputs) select ALL the available options; MS Soundmapper, M-Audio 1/2 and M-Audio 3/4 by clicking them (highliting them)
Return to RB and tape the key back down on the synth
Highlite a blank stereo audio track and hit 'record' for a couple seconds
You should get three stereo tracks as a result.
The first one will be the MS SoundMapper input, the next will be the M-Audio Line In 1/2 and the third will be the M-Audio Line In 3/4. Do any of these show a resulting wave file in the Tracks window after 'keep take'?
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Rharv and Eddie, I see in the screen shots that he has a aud out setting, but does he have the track setup for audio in?
This is what Rharv is saying. By highlighting all three you are forcing it to look at all three inputs.
Click the small arrows on the tracks control area, and see if you can tell if they are setup to input from the fast track
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The method I have described (numerous times) will take every input available into consideration. The Input on the Drivers window over-rides the Tracks selection dialogue you describe (as I understand it). The Tracks selection should list only enabled drivers. My point was to enable ALL available drivers and see what happens.
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On the left side of your pic (inputs) select ALL the available options; MS Soundmapper, M-Audio 1/2 and M-Audio 3/4 by clicking them (highliting them)
Return to RB and tape the key back down on the synth
Highlite a blank stereo audio track and hit 'record' for a couple seconds
You should get three stereo tracks as a result.
The first one will be the MS SoundMapper input, the next will be the M-Audio Line In 1/2 and the third will be the M-Audio Line In 3/4. Do any of these show a resulting wave file in the Tracks window after 'keep take'?
It gave me the tracks, but no wave data.
Here's the screen dump. 3 tracks, no sine waves.
Between then and now I went to M-Audio and downloaded the latest driver they had. When installing it said I had the latest. Reinstalled anyway. Restarted computer. No change.
It LOOKS like it is working. It just isn't recording anything, I have one more thing to try.
Tested with a mic instead of a line instrument. Nope.
Apparently I have something set up wrong, but I don't know what it could be. I am following along as you suggest things but it isn't working.
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OK
now I am stumped...
This should have shown *something*.
My fault I guess
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Rharv and Eddie, I see in the screen shots that he has a aud out setting, but does he have the track setup for audio in?
This is what Rharv is saying. By highlighting all three you are forcing it to look at all three inputs.
Click the small arrows on the tracks control area, and see if you can tell if they are setup to input from the fast track
This has GOT to be where my issue is. It HAS to be. Yet I don't see anything wrong.
Audio input settings
The top left you see 24 bit, 44.1. That is consistent with how my M-Audio shows in the control panel sound hardware setup.
And you brought up something I was going to ask about last night. In that far left track identifier box where I see AUD Out - should I not see and AUD In right above it? Is that what is at the core of this that RB doesn't see those inputs?
I'm glad I don't drink.....
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OK
now I am stumped...
This should have shown *something*.
My fault I guess
Fault hell. That was as good a round of troubleshooting as I have ever seen. That doesn't solve why now 3 of us are stumped.... but good deductive reasoning just the same.
This last screen shot I put up is the audio input config. As it should be, I believe.
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(the new pic)
As long as you clicked OK when leaving that window ... and it looks as if you did since you got three tracks recorded at once in RB (from previous pic)
It appears to me that RB is not recognizing the (actual) audio input device at all.
Strange.
Like I said; stumped me! That test should have revealed something obvious. We enabled every possible Windows sound device that RB recognizes ..
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Just tested my fast track pro with realband all working ok. In the fast track pro properties in the control panel of windows I have ticked under channels in bandwidth dialog
outputs 1 and 2 (balanced and unbalanced)
outputs 3 and 4 (s/pdif balanced and unbalanced)
balanced input 1 (mono)
balanced input 2 (mono)
only thing not ticked there is
s/[pdif input (stereo)
sample rate is 44.1
fast track is set there to record at 24 bit, at 16 bit in realband but will record at 24 bit too, after checking the above maybe change the bit depth in realband to 16 bit.
My fast track needs to be switched on before I open realband, if I switch on after I open realband then fast track won't be detected.
I need to close down realband and then open again and it dectects the fast track and records fine.
another thing to try is reinstall realband.
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I also notice that one pic says 16 bit recording and the previous pic says 24 bit .. Probably not the problem but something is changing .. I just noticed. Stick with 16/44 for testing if possible. I like 24 bit much better, but sticking to a set bitrate can help solve issues.
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Musiclover, check, check, check, check. Everything checks out. My interface is powered on 24/7 so that isn't it.
I hope to get this straightened out soon. Some of the people involved are in the whiz category and THEY are stumped. I would have a hard time thinking it was my hardware at all but I know stuff happens. Maybe I do need to reinstall Real band. I never even tried it until Sunday so it had never been used.
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So let me ask this question. When I recorded that last few seconds, and the three tracks showed, does the fact that they turned color mean that something was really recorded, or just that the record button was used? When I go back up after dinner I am going to do some real backyard hacking stuff link trying to record with no interface plugged in so I can see the error messages that would happen in that situation.
I WILL figure this out. In this area of my life, like every other I am the most stubborn man alive. My best friend Joni tells me that she is sure i would bury myself alive to prove I know how to use a shovel.
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