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#12511 01/31/09 08:11 AM
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If you had a steelstring acoustic guitar with Dean Marcly pickup.
What kind of effects would you use if you should try to get closer to "the Chet Atkins sound"


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3 fingers and an echo.


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Well Russ. I have the number of fingers required. (maybe they do not play as elegant as mister guitar, but they try)
Now to the echo. I have a DVD with Chet where he explains his STYLE of playing, and he also says that he likes a little echo on the guitar, but what cind of echo?

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Tono - you'll have to be more specific as to which song you want to emulate. Chet had many different sounds - not all of which can be accomplished with a steel string acoustic and magnetic soundhole pickup.

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I know I should have been more spesific rockstar not, but the question was based on this:
It sounds to me that ewery guitarplayer have their "fingerprints" in the way of playing( espesially for fingerpickers) and most of them also have their favourite sound that shines through newer mind what cind of guitar they are playing. og course it is a different sound in a gibsen acoustic and a Grech semi acoustic.
In my naive thinking I thought that there maybe Chet had some favourite effects and some favourite settings for them. ( At least a place to start)

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Tono,

Chet's middle period* guitar sound was characterized by a light "slap" echo with a little regeneration, along with some light reverb.

Slap echo has a very short delay after the original sound, sometimes with no repeats. It is a very bold and distinctive sound. In Chet's case, there were a few repeats but they decayed quickly. They are clearly heard on headphones or in a quiet environment, but not on casual listening.

In contrast, Elvis used a heavy slap on his voice. It's also useful for making a sound cut through a noisy environment without raising the volume.

Play with the delay time on your effects box. Start at zero and increase it until you can just hear the effect separate from the original sound. Set the delay level close to that of the original sound and adjust down as you experiment.

Then look for a control named regeneration (or repeat, or feedback) and add that--not much. (Feedback means something different when applied to delay effects; it's not the same as guitar feedback.)

Then set a very short decay time, another control you will find on your effects device. Try one quarter of a second if your device lets you set it that way and adjust it from there. All of these controls are somewhat interactive, but do it in the order above and you should get it pretty quickly. Write down or save your settings so you can recreate them easily.

Finally, find a nice plate reverb sound and add a little of that.

Once you get it down, the slap sound is very handy to have in your "toolbox".

Wishing you the best,

Richard


* For those who might quibble about what he did early or late, fine. I don't claim to know about those.


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Thank you Ryszard.
THIS IS A PLACE TO START.
This was exactly what I need too start to close in on the sound Im looking for.

Thanks again.
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Chet used an old analog ECHOPLEX echo unit, when he used echo on those old classic recordings.

Try to find a plugin that umulates the analog tape ECHOPLEX unit, that may make the task a lot easier to do.

Also -- Chet used a guitar amplifier, mic'd. Typically a Fender Twin or Ampeg, but not always, what Chet needed was an amplifier that was capable of clean guitar amplification (as versus "distorted" rock sound) and do not sell the sound of that short. It would be very good to use a modern digital guitar amplifier/cabinet simulator, either hardware type between guitar and soundcard input, or use a plugin after the recording to impart the sound of the tube amp plus its speaker. Some even allow you to select a simulated mic situation, so much the better.

In some recordings Chet may have use the Echoplex along with a small amount of spring reverb from the amplifier, too.

In his last decade Chet played and endorsed the Gibson flattop that *looked* like a dreadnaught but is completely different in body design, being almost a semi-solid and very thin. But he did not use that guitar for any of the classic old echoplex recordings. A semi-solid archtop guitar such as Chet's Guild is needed there. A good player can substitute almost any type of guitar, though.


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Tono,

A note about guitar technique. This will also help you zero in on the sound you're looking for.

Google "Travis picking". Basically it is a "clawhammer" fingerpicking style which uses the heel of the thumb to damp the bass strings. The player uses however many fingers to fingerpick and the thumb for the bass line. This results in a quite percussive bass. Being able to damp the upper strings with the outer edge of your right hand is also useful at times.

My '63 Country Gentleman had a split mute which could do the damping for the upper (G-B-E) or lower (E-A-D) strings separately, or both sets together, freeing the right hand from being anchored to the strings. (Using both mutes resulted in a banjo-like sound.)

The CG was the first guitar I programmed into my Roland VG-88. I've got it running through a virtual Fender Twin as noted. Mac is prolly correct about the spring reverb, but I use a plate reverb for a more spacious sound.

Have fun!

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Thank you friends.
I play a little fingerpicking,(melody picking)
understand me right. I am not trying to be a new Chet Atkins (that train passed me by many years ago) but when I am "fidling around" with my guitar in "the boys room" I was not able to figure out what make the ritch sound on Chets recordings.It seems like I can come a little closer in the future.
The differens between Merle Travis and Chet Atkins is that it sounds to me that Merle play a little more sloppy on the bass strings while Chet play the muted bas in a very presise way.
I try to play the muted bass the best I can, but to mute the G-B-E strings in a good way it is difficult to stay completely clear of the
D string. But I try my best

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Yep Russ,

I've had my eye on that little bugger for awhile. I decided for the short term to have my old princeton chorus gone thru and wait for the ultimate amp which will use CF cards or memory sticks to play mp3 tracks that I create on Real Band. They are just now starting to come out with some stuff like that.

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I discovered this fellow on youtube awhile back. This might give you some more insight into what has been said above.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgVdFwlpIH8&feature=channel>

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