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check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZztrRWjZ8this is part 1 of 13, available on youtube It's a documentary of the music industry, where it's been and where its going. Please watch and comment if you have time.
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So far just watched this part... a bit 'off topic', but what a cool jazz theme 3 mins in!. Makes me wish there was a BIAB style with harmonies like that.. minor 2nds and everything! .. Further reaction later.
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It starts out slow, but gets pretty interesting after the 3rd or 4th part.
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Pat, Great find! This is definitely worth watching. The first 2 clips are kind of slow, but it gets it’s legs by the third one. Don’t let the 13 clips throw you off. It’s only about an hour. It harkens back to a comment I made I made on one of your threads a week or two ago about being “true to yourself” as a musician. It depends on whether you’re playing to make money,(which is fine to do), or whether you’re playing what you like and you don’t care what people “want to hear”. I would rather play what I like, and if anyone wants to listen, they can. No requests please! (Unless of course you already know it’s something I like to play.  ) You may not, (probably won’t), make any money with this approach. But you may find a small niche of people who want to hear what you play, instead of what a “focus group” or pop culture says they should listen to.
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Interesting. During part 8, one of the interviewees stated that "today's fans are not buying music, they are buying pop-culture."
I had never really thought of it that way, but he is correct.
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This video in available on Hulu for free, with only a few commercials. I found it more convenient to watch, and the resolution looked better also.
Sadly, the message was right on the mark.
When the history of important American musical influences is written, Louis Armstrong and Woody Guthrie will get chapters, while Lady Gaga will have a couple of sentences and a footnote.
Fire, the wheel, and the I IV V -- foundations of civilization.
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Hey guys!
That was quite interesting to watch, thanks for sharing the link here I appreciate it!
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I found this interesting on a couple of levels:
1) the OLD paradigm in which music companies and radio stations have a virtual monopoly on who gets air play (and therefore, has a chance at fame and fortune) is what most of the negative comments were about... but its worth noting that the ability of common musicians to record, produce, master advertise and distribute their own music online has bypassed the weasels and put music's destiny back in the hands of the music CREATORS (in large part, thanks to companies like PGMusic who empower the musical masses)
2) The NEW paradigm of "only the beautiful are marketable" actually creates opportunities for people like us, because the beautiful-but-not-talented performers need to buy their songs from people like us.
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Well Bob, its like this... (true story)
As a younger man I took pleasure in jerking people's chains, withholding praise even when it was due, basically messing with good people who didn't deserve to be messed with. I did it because a lot of other people did it, and at the time it seemed like fun. In short, I was not a pleasant person to be around.
But I noticed one day that nothing good ever happened around me anymore. All the positive people left my side and the only people around me were those who enjoyed the kind of behavioral crap I dished out. All of the remaining people were black holes of negativity, value subtractors, users and losers.
The value adders were somewhere else, surrounded by the positive people who were like them. And being surrounded by value adders, they all flourished like plants that have exactly the right amount of nourishment.
It occurred to me that positivity is something that needs to be fed and watered or it dies on the vine. I imagined a world where all the positive people gave up because of those who consistently withheld the encouragement and praise they had worked for and rightfully deserved. It wasn't a pretty thing to imagine.
So, I made a conscious decision to positively reinforce anyone who seemed to be doing something worthy of praise; and, by default, a conscious decision to resist the temptation to say anything that might discourage, insult, wear down, deflate or subract value in any way.
Yes, you're right... at times it comes across as disingenuous... but all idealism appears disingenuous to those who don't share the ideology.
The difference between what I do and what a snake oil salesman does is that the snake oil salesman profits by cheating people out of their hard earned money and gives them something worthless in exchange.
I don't profit in any way by praising others... in fact I try to avoid cheating them out of the reward they've earned. It is enough to me that people who are doing a good thing don't give up. If I accomplish one thing in this life, I want to die knowing I took every step possible to reward goodness wherever I saw it. And I definitely see goodness coming out of PGMusic. Read the forums, people's lives are literally jump-started by the fun they're having and the musical successes that wouldn't have happened without it.
End of story, its nothing more complicated than that.
Regarding the terminology you find so amusing, I can only say that I have always taken pleasure in the sound of a well-crafted phrase. Words can be powerful in both directions...They can tear down as easily as they can build up.
Knowing that, I use them with surgical precision, not randomly nor disingenuously.
Thanks for asking. It was time to get the lid off that molasses jar.
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allegory:
a man walks up to another man for conversation. As he walks away after the conversation, he finds himself thinking "wow, that man is really interesting and smart"
Later he walks up to a different man for conversation. When he walks away from that one, he finds himself thinking "Wow, I must be interesting and smart"
the difference in the first person's response to each conversation is directly related to the way the other two men directed the flow of ideas. Each man accomplished his intent.
There is a lesson in this story; but depending on which man in the story most resembles the reader, the interpretation tends to be different.
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Pat, Quote:
Thanks for asking. It was time to get the lid off that molasses jar.
Thanks for letting me know what’s going on Pat. I had begun to wonder “what’s happened to my friend Pat and when will the body snatchers release him!”
For me, the comments about PG do come across as “disingenuous”. If I’d never heard of BIAB and I read those comments, I’d think you were someone who was being paid to push the product on the forum, and you were going way overboard in doing so. When you add in the SUCK-UP-O-METER and the BIAB-IS-COOL-O-METER, it just adds to it. For those on the forum, we don’t have to be “sold” on the product, we fell in love with it years ago, in most cases.
FWIW, I’ve never known you to be negative on here. You were always a voice of reason. That’s why I got concerned when I thought your comments appeared to be over the top regarding PG.
Take care my friend.
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Sounds like Pat awoke to the truth and beauty of a situation, if you ask me.
Keep it up, Pat, sometimes takes a thick skin in this age, as I'm sure you've found out on occasion.
Optimism is often mistaken by quite a few as having some sort of sinister lining to it, part and parcel of what passes for education in our era, too, classes purported to be on Critical Thiking these days have nothing to due with Thinking Critically but rather with being critical. Thank you, Alinsky, but no thanks.
And Pat stated the case admkrably well, IMO -- optimism is indeed a discipline -- but those of us who practice the art and science of becoming your own word wouldn't have it any other way.
--Mac
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Pat, you ought to bottle that attitude and sell it. Heck, I'd send in a buck or two for a good healthly dose of "Pat's Magic Elixer for Positive Attitude Adjustment". Perhaps a discount to forum members would be appreciated by all. 
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FWIW, I’ve never known you to be negative on here. You were always a voice of reason. That’s why I got concerned when I thought your comments appeared to be over the top regarding PG.
regarding the SUCKUP-O-METERs etc, that was an attempt at humor. (weak, true, but an attempt nonetheless)
Most of us don't see ourselves as others see us, so it is news to me that my comments came across as being "over the top", but there may be truth to that observation.
I'm currently butt-deep in alligators on the home front, and it may be that I'm overcompensating in an effort to keep a sane attitude. (Apparently It ain't sane yet if its weird in a whole new direction)
I find that stress is cumulative (much like stacking bricks on a 2x4 stretched between two saw horses). There is a point at which the 2x4 is not capable of holding one more brick, and it will break.
Positive thinking is one of several ways to get bricks off the 2x4 before it fails.
On the other hand, disagreements and arguments pile the bricks on at an alarming rate, and I see no point whatsoever in letting that happen if its possible to avoid. Therefore, I greatly appreciate your gracious response.
There may still be bricks on the 2x4, but it ain't because of anything going on here in the forum! You're a good man, Bob, and I appreciate the value you add to the forum. Please never stop adding that value.
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For me, the comments about PG do come across as “disingenuous”. If I’d never heard of BIAB and I read those comments, I’d think you were someone who was being paid to push the product on the forum, and you were going way overboard in doing so. When you add in the SUCK-UP-O-METER and the BIAB-IS-COOL-O-METER, it just adds to it. For those on the forum, we don’t have to be “sold” on the product, we fell in love with it years ago, in most cases.
I agree that the forum regulars don't need to be sold on the product... but as stated in other threads, I *DO* see the forum as a vehicle for evangelizing the product to visitors who are reading the forum trying to decide whether to buy or not.
I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of these products. Making positive comments in the forum is a very small expression of my appreciation.
Following up on the previous post, using BIAB and RB to make music is one of the things that takes bricks off my 2x4. To me, that is not a small thing.
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Optimism is often mistaken by quite a few as having some sort of sinister lining to it, part and parcel of what passes for education in our era, too, classes purported to be on Critical Thiking these days have nothing to due with Thinking Critically but rather with being critical. Thank you, Alinsky, but no thanks.
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well stated Mac! 100% agreement
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Pat, you ought to bottle that attitude and sell it.
Heck, I'd send in a buck or two for a good healthly dose of "Pat's Magic Elixer for Positive Attitude Adjustment". Perhaps a discount to forum members would be appreciated by all.
Dan,
thanks for the encouraging words! (feels like I'm "home home on the range")
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Thanks, Pat. I really needed to see your words. Our world is so filled with negativity especially from the news media. My wife and I often comment on it and wonder why it's so rare when something positive (not to mention heartfelt) is every reported. I'm no big fan of the media. At least ABC has some human interest stories via their "Person of the Week" sometimes, but not nearly often enough.
As to PG Music, both it and these forums have literally brought some happiness, not only to Pauline and I, but also to many folks in retirement homes and some hospitals. I don't mind being reminded of this at all.
Stan
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