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hello again, all...
co-writing a country song for the son of a famous 60's country star (almost)...running 2007...& looking for a quick way to add a pedal steel intro & fiddle & pedal steel solos.
is it as simple as selecting the measures where one wants the solo...& picking an instrument...???
(didn't think so)...could use some help...
thanx,
dox
btw - just upgraded from 2007.5 to 2011.5 audiophile...sure hope it has 'real tracks' (only found 'real band' in the description)?
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In 2007, no. In Real Band 2011.5 it is that simple. You'll have to hear from someone else on the details, but that's how it's done. You should have all the RTs necessary. Finest kind, y'all.
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hello again, all...
is it as simple as selecting the measures where one wants the solo...& picking an instrument...???
thanx,
Absolutely that easy in either BIAB or RB - thats what this program does...
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btw - just upgraded from 2007.5 to 2011.5 audiophile...sure hope it has 'real tracks' (only found 'real band' in the description)?
If you paid a lot of money then you will have the real tracks...
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thanx...
so...when 2011.5 gets here...I just:
A) (obviously) open the 2007.5 version song in the new BiaB (don't need a sequencer...already have sonar, cubase & pro toys).
B) select the measures where I want the pedal steel intro, fiddle solo & pedal steel solo; & do what, exactly...???
thanx again,
dox
also: they're telling me 2011.5 audiophile comes on an external hard drive...which is great...but...do we still have the ability to install the program itself on the pc's local drive...[so as to follow the proper guideline of: audio app on local drive...audio files (binary data) on secondary drive]...???
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they're telling me 2011.5 audiophile comes on an external hard drive...which is great...but...do we still have the ability to install the program itself on the pc's local drive...[so as to follow the proper guideline of: audio app on local drive...audio files (binary data) on secondary drive]...???
It's completely your choice. There's a Setup icon on the PG Music drive with three options. Just read those carefully, pick one and follow the instructions. When someone specifically asked Peter what he recommended he said if you have a big fast hard drive to install everything including all the Real Tracks/Drums onto your local C drive which is what I did. The standard RT's and programs are about 45 gigs on that drive and the Audiophile version I think is over 150 gigs. You need a big system drive to install all that. A lot of people including me for years ran the programs strictly from the external PG hard drive with no problems at all. One of the options is to install the programs only and keep the RT's on the external drive. That works fine too.
I don't think it really matters much where they are as far as working with the RT's are concerned as long as you point the programs to the correct location and that is spelled out in the instructions. Working with regular streaming audio inside a DAW like Sonar, yes the standard way is to stream all the audio back and forth from a separate drive with the program itself on your C drive.
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thanx...
so...when 2011.5 gets here...I just:
A) (obviously) open the 2007.5 version song in the new BiaB (don't need a sequencer...already have sonar, cubase & pro toys).
B) select the measures where I want the pedal steel intro, fiddle solo & pedal steel solo; & do what, exactly...???
thanx again,
dox
also: they're telling me 2011.5 audiophile comes on an external hard drive...which is great...but...do we still have the ability to install the program itself on the pc's local drive...[so as to follow the proper guideline of: audio app on local drive...audio files (binary data) on secondary drive]...???
Answer to "A"
Correct you don't need a sequencer as these steps are all done in BIAB.
Answer to "B"
Again correct. The way I do it is (in BIAB) right click on the bar where you want to make the changes, choose "bar settings" and select what instrument you want to in that bar. Same steps for where you want to change that instruments volume, fad, mute or return to normal.
Answer to "Also"
Not quite sure as while I have an external drive with BIAB installed it is not the audiophile, but I do have it installed on my laptop. My guess is that if you have enough room you can do the same with the audiophile version.
PS: Sorry Bob looks like we were typing at the same time.
Hope this helps,
Later,
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I just wanted to toss in this thought. Yes you do not NEED a seq, but Real Band is a bit more. It can directly open Biab files. So if you open the file there, you can highlight and drag the area in the timeline on a new track, and generate a pedal steel track with ease.
Sure you can do it right in BiaB, but trust me it is easier to do in RB, for partial tracks.
I have Sonar, Reaper, and two or three others, but i use Rb most of the time now.
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So if you open the file there, you can highlight and drag the area in the timeline on a new track, and generate a pedal steel track with ease.
Sure you can do it right in BiaB, but trust me it is easier to do in RB, for partial tracks
now...THAT's interesting...!!!
you mean to say that...once youre settled on a style/tempo/arrangement in BiaB...u open the saved file in RB & it opens as a multi-track MIDI project...??? nice.
& then, u select measures in a new track where an intro/solo is needed...& pick an instrument or style or whatever & roll...???
['cause...I noticed in BiaB, that 'solist' generates a solo for the entire doggone song structure]
thanx for that; & thanx everyone else, as well
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Yes, if you build a song in BiaB, RB will open that file, and lay it out in multitrack format. Also you can start in RB, and pick a style, tempo/ arrangement as well.
BiaB will also allow you to generate a solo for a section of bars, so you don't have to do the whole song. Rb just makes it a tad easier.
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['cause...I noticed in BiaB, that 'solist' generates a solo for the entire doggone song structure]
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That is readily fixable. You need to use the F5 [bar setting] feature to tell who to pay when. Your soloist can step in for only a bar or only a chorus or you can trade fours with him (her).if you want. 
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well...
really in a fix, now.
installed 2011.5 (method 2...BiaB & RB apps run from C drive on my audio pc...everything else runs from the pg music hard drive).
tried it (real tracks solos) both ways:
A) I selected 1 measure at a time (2 measures at the start of the song)...hit the 'real tracks' button in the bar settings dialog...selected my pedal steel soloist & hit ok.
B) selected several bars near the middle of the song...hit the 'soloist' button...selected another pedal steel audio soloist from 'real tracks' & hit ok.
i'm not hearing ANY audio for the selected real track solo measures !
is there a way to test that the audio files on the BiaB HD are working...so I know it's not that...???
[not sure where to turn, now...could really use some help.]
thanx,
dox
btw - my audio driver setup is ASIO, but i have no real tracks audio w/ MME, either
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Hi doxology,
**Try loading some of the PGMusic Demo Songs and see if you can hear them play Realtracks. (You can do that from the Stylepicker, select any Realtracks style you like and then hit the "Load Demo Song" from the top button in the Stylepicker Window, then close the window and hit Play.) Can you hear the Realtracks this way?
If not, first thing to check would be the Software Playback Mixer for your soundcard or sound device. If it is the builtin soundcard, doubleclick on the speaker icon in the taskbar next to the clock to open the Mixer applet. Check to see that all faders are turned up - including the Master fader - and that none are muted.
That would be the first step and may just be where the problem lies, am thinking that some rogue command, possibly from another program, has turned the Wav channel off or all the way down. It happens.
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you mean to say that...once youre settled on a style/tempo/arrangement in BiaB...u open the saved file in RB & it opens as a multi-track MIDI project...??? nice.
Correct but to clarify, it's only midi if you used an all midi style in Biab. Real Tracks are audio so your project could open in Real Band as all audio. Something else to consider, RB is not Biab and does not generate the RT/RD's anywhere near as fast as Biab can. A 5 RT track Biab song opens in like 5 seconds in Biab on my machine but it literally takes several minutes to open in RB because it's regenerating the tracks. An option is to freeze the RT's in Biab and drag and drop them into RB. For me at least I don't open Biab files in RB because it takes so long to open unless it's all midi but you can save your Biab tracks as wav's and or D&D them to RB.
RB is basically a full featured audio/midi recorder and sequencer just like Sonar or Reaper that also has a lot of Biab functions so I may open a midi file for example and start adding my own recorded tracks to it plus creating different Real Drums tracks and adding solo parts like you want to do. Or, I've even done a few originals where I started with just me laying down some tracks with my keyboard and then add a few Biab backing parts here and there. There's so many different ways to work in RB just start playing with it.
Biab 2012 was just released today and it now has even more things that used to be exclusive to RB like multiple VST synth and effects plugin support and other stuff. I may not need to use RB as much as I used to but it still has 48 tracks while Biab only has 7 plus I still really like being able to see all the individual tracks laid out accross the screen like any other DAW and of course Biab doesn't work that way.
The fun and experimentation goes on...
Bob
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ok...
1) loss of audio solved...Kent from pgm support switched me over from my Lynx ASIO drivers to MME...& all is well.
2) in light of what bob sed (& thanx 4 that!)...that kills my next question about RB (can it display a sequencer view...horizontal tracks on a timeline ?).
so then...since I'm having trouble generating more than one soloist per *.MGU in BiaB...does BiaB display a sequencer track view...eg...in the song i'm working on for my C&W client, I need 3 different solos at three different points in the tune...& was hoping to accomplish that in different (sequencer view) type tracks.
[hope that makes sense...in the typical daw sequencer...the main (track) view looks like a spreadsheet for digital audio & MIDI...horizontal bars for each track...stacked vertically. can BiaB do that...if not...how do we accomplish multiple solos].
thanx again,
dox
btw - thanx also my man doc!
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Soloist has custom box where you can set the number of bars and what soloist to play them .
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