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Need Some guidance #144674 01/02/12 09:58 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86 Blue Springs MO TerryB OP Enthusiast
OP TerryB Enthusiast Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 86 Blue Springs MO	I lead worship at a small/medium size church. I presently have a group of very dedicated but varying level of musicians. As a result I would like to simplify some of the song arrangements to more basic chords as we grow in skill level. Creating the charts and most of the time if their is a real chart printing out music is not a problem. What I have ran into is with most amateur musicians is that they rely heavily on the lyrics in the song to let them know where they are at. This is where I need some guidance. I have played around with the lyrics entry which I assume would need to be note based with varying success. Didn't find the manual real clear on this feature. It seems to be a painfully slow process. I normally do not have a melody line so that may be causing an issue as well. Maybe that is just the way it it is and I am going to have to live with it. So my question is: - Should I continue to try and figure out lyrics in BIAB? - Should I just export charts to Print Music and try to do the lyrics there? I really think lyrics entry and importing them is something almost all music programs today do not handle wel, even some of the notation programs. My guess is someone coming up with a good way to enter lyrics would gain some interest in the performer side. Seems it ought to be possible with XML and other formats out there today. Anyway probably too much comment to go along with the question. Will look forward to the responses. Happy New Year everyone! Terry TerryB Windows 10, Dell 8700 XPS i7, 12MB Ram.

Re: Need Some guidance TerryB #144675 01/02/12 10:41 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 8,333 London, Ontario, Canada John Conley Veteran
John Conley Veteran Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 8,333 London, Ontario, Canada	Note based entry is very easy. You should be able to do a standard hymn in less than 10 mins. in my experience. It just takes a while to get the hang of it. To be honest if you were going to put in the notes and words for something like Amazing Grace 3 choruses, you will never find a piece of software that comes anywhere near Band in a Box. It may be the biggest thing that has ever been devised that seems to be overlooked. Then again most standard hymns are kicking around in .kar type formats somewhere and you can import the whole she-bang into Band in a Box quite handily. John Conley Musica est vita

Re: Need Some guidance TerryB #144676 01/02/12 11:28 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,750 P pghboemike Veteran
pghboemike Veteran P Joined: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,750	here's the 2012 help file toc, available from the help menu pick something that looks interesting and explore additional tutorials & videos here http://www.pgmusic.com/support.htm Welcome to Band-in-a-Box Help If you don’t find the information you are looking for in this help file, feel free to contact our Technical Support Department at 1-866-9TECHPG (toll free in USA and Canada), 1-250-475-2708, or live on the Internet at http://www.pgmusic.com. Visit the FAQ pages at http://www.pgmusic.com for the latest tips on using Band-in-a-Box and other PG Music Inc. products. Version 2012 New Features If you are upgrading from Version 2011, please see the Version 2011.5 New Features topic. There are also new topics describing the Mixer Window and BB Remote. Version 2011 New Features Upgraders from previous versions should read the section on Version 2011 New Features and take the Version 2011 Tutorial. Getting Started with Band-in-a-Box Basics Setting Up MIDI Or Sound Card Automatic Patch/Drum Kit configuration Matching Drums, Patches & MIDI Channels ReadMe for Latest information not in Manual Tutorials for Using the Band-in-a-Box Program Tutorial #1: Interface/Driver Setup Tutorial #2: Loading/Playing Songs Tutorial #3: Inputting New Songs Tutorial #4: Creating Custom Drum Kit/Patch Map Tutorial #5: StyleMaker: Editing Existing Styles Tutorial #6: Making a New Style Tutorial #7: (Notation, Printing, Harmonies, Rests etc.) Tutorial #8: Using the Soloist Tutorial #9: Using the Melodist Tutorial #10 Using the Audio Features and Guitar Chord Melodies Tutorial #11 Using the Guitar Styles Tutorial #12 Using the Chord Wizard and Embellisher Tutorial #13: Using the Style Wizard & Leadsheet Harmony Tutorial #14 Using the Audio Harmonies & Repeats/Endings Tutorial #15 Using the Piano Roll Tutorial #16 Using the Conductor & Sequencer Tutorial #17 Using the RealDrums and Audio Chord Wizard Tutorial #18 Using the RealTracks Tutorial #19 Using the RealTracks, RealCharts and more Version #20 Using the Drag n Drop DAW, Track Freeze and more Version #20 Using the Soloist Medley and more Version 2012 Tutorial How to... USING KEYSTROKES INSTEAD OF MOUSE Conductor Functions with MIDI Keys and QWERTY Hot Keys Keystroke List Hot Keys New Hot Keys New 3D Dialogs and more Hot Keys MAKING A SONG Typing in chords Enter/Recognize Chords Automatically Get Chords from Audio Files: Audio Chord Wizard List of Chords Using Roman Numeral, Nashville , or Solfeggio Notation Using Part Markers to change Substyles or insert drum fills Copy/Paste sections of chords Copy From ... to Bar ... Intros/Endings/Begin/End/# of choruses Repeats/Codas/1st-2nd Endings Erasing Chords and Melodies Song Embellishment Vary Middle Style of Song Tags Rests, Shots and Held Chords Copying Rests Pushes Entering Chord Options (Rests and Pushes ) with Mouse Lyrics Entry Selecting/Changing Styles Recording Melodies Additional Melody Track Humanize Melody Track Changing the Number of Choruses One BIG Chorus Saving Songs to Disk Making MIDI files ( Clipboard or Disk) Song Settings (title, key, etc.) Volume, Panning, Reverb, Bank Settings Instrument ON/OFF selection Automatic Fill of instruments w/patches EZ-Access to Patches Play Intelligent Guitar Styles RealDrums: Live Audio Drum Tracks NOTATION AND PRINTOUT Notation Window Notation Enhancements Lead Sheet Window Printout of Chords, Melody, Solo and Lyrics Looping Notation Notation Scroll Ahead Intelligent Accidentals Automatic Tick Offset Print Preview Save as Graphics File Multiple Tracks of Notation Section Text for Notation Scrub Mode for Notation HARMONIES Setting Up Harmony Channels Selecting Melody or Thru Harmony Maker- making new harmonies Using the Harmonies Using Live Harmonies when Band-in-a-Box is stopped Audio Harmonies SOLOIST Using the Soloist Selecting and Playing a Soloist Soloist Maker Editing a Soloist Soloist Wizard Play along MELODIST Using the Melodist Melodist Maker Melodist Tutorial GUITARIST Generating Chord Solos Playing Intelligent Guitar Styles Making Intelligent Guitar Styles with the StyleMaker AUDIO Record Audio Record Audio Finished Audio Harmonies Render Audio to Stereo WAV file Burning an Audio CD Direct to Disk Audio Rendering Audio Batch Dialog LOADING AND PLAYING SONGS Opening Songs from disk Loading Songs by Full Title Quick Access to Songs Loading Favorite Songs Choosing a New Style Using "Style Picker" Window Loading Favorite Styles Playing/Pausing/Stopping Songs Muting Instruments Changing Tempo Tap-in Tempo Change Changing Key ( Transpose) Transposing PART of a Song Watching Piano Keyboard Display Jukebox Playback Wizard Play along feature Recording to External Hardware sequencers Vocalist and Real Time Arranger support TC Helicon Audio Harmonies CHANGING SETTINGS Changing Program Color Scheme Changing Patches (instruments) Changing Patches at any Bar Harmony Change at any Bar Style Change at any Bar Style Aliases Using Favorite Patches Changing Volume Changing Reverb/Bank Changing Combos/Master Volume/Reverb/Tone GS functions XG functions Preferences (for all songs) Preferences (2) FILES ASSOCIATED WITH BAND-IN-A-BOX Transferring between IBM/Mac/Atari Essential Program files (Bbw.EXE,.DLL, ZZ.STY, Bbw.TIP) Config files (MYSETUP.DK, INTRFACE.BBW) Song files (.?G?) Style files (.STY) SysEx files (.SYX) Melodist files (.ST2,.MEL,.M1) Soloist files (.ST2,.SOL,.S1) Style list text (BBW.LST) Style Alias files (.ALI) Patch list text (.PAT) Color Scheme Files (.BBC) Harmony Files (.HAR, .H1) Troubleshooting PG Music Info: Tech Support/Upgrades ReadMe for Latest information not in Manual Functions On-Screen Keyboard Area Tool Bar Buttons Title, Tempo Area Chord Entry Area Pull-down Menu Functions File Menu Edit Menu Styles Menu Opt(ions) Menu Play Menu Lyrics Menu Melody Menu Soloist Menu Audio Menu GM Menu Harmony Menu Notation Menu Window Menu Help Menu Dialog Boxes Save Patches With Songs Dialog Box Edit Current Bar settings Dialog Box MIDI Driver Setup Dialog Box MIDI Settings Dialog Box Drum Note Assignment Dialog Box Favorite Patches Dialog Box Favorite Combos Dialog Box Patch Map Dialog Box MIDI File Dialog Box Step Edit Melody Dialog Box Melody Quantize Dialog Box GS Part Settings Dialog Box GS Reverb Type Dialog Box Record Melody Dialog Box Record Melody Finished Dialog Box Preferences Chord Options StyleMaker Miscellaneous Settings Import MIDI File To Melody Select Melody or Thru Harmony Select Harmony Channels Tip Of The Day Dialog Box Select Song By Title Select Style with Information Copy From Bar .. to Bar .. Erase From Bar ... to Bar ... Copy Rests Slide Tracks Notation Window Print Options Song Settings Dialog Set Time Signature Favorite Songs/Styles Transpose From...to... Make a Patch Map Advanced Humanize Melody/Soloist Soloist Select Soloist Edit Choose Instrument for Soloist Color Scheme Select Print Multiple Songs Favorite Harmonies Patches on Higher Banks Melodist Dialog Melodist Maker Dialog Lead Sheet Window Options Guitar Window Options Chord Substitutions Dialog_ Auto Chord Substitutions Dialog Master Tuning Dialog Chord Builder Dialog Print Preview Ear Training Audio Edit Window Live Harmony Dialog Style Wizard Loop Settings Melody Embellisher MIDI File Chord Interpretation Wizard Display Options Arrangement Options Count-in and Metronome Options MIDI file options MIDI Options Harmony Channels and Settings More Soloist & Melodist Settings General MIDI Patch Edit Drum Kit Favorite Instruments Output Chords on Channel Transpose THRU Part Record Filter Notation Window Options Lead Sheet Options Audio Settings Guitar Settings Big Piano Settings Lyric Window Options Print Options Batch Create MIDI Files Sequencer Window Conductor Window Global Overrides ASIO Audio Drivers SoundTrack Dialog Bar Reharmonist Dialog Select Reharmonist Dialog Audio Batch Dialog Nudge Chord Search/Replace RealDrums Settings RealTracks Settings TranzPort Settings Lead Sheet Memo Fold Event List Filter Audio Play Settings Soft Synth Latency Adjust Dialog Practice Window StyleMaker: Making Or Editing Styles StyleMaker Table of Contents StyleMaker How To Section StyleMaker Overview Tutorial #5: Editing an Existing Style Tutorial #6: Making a New Style StyleMaker: Making Drum Patterns StyleMaker: Making Bass Patterns StyleMaker: Making Piano, Guitar, Strings Patterns Making Waltzes StyleMaker: Making in Step-time and Notation Making a Hybrid Style Making a Style with the Style Wizard StyleMaker Dialog Boxes Drum Pattern Options Bass Pattern Options Piano/Guitar/Strings Pattern Options Chord Playback Miscellaneous Settings Assign Patches to Style Import Instrument to Style Drum Screen Alternate Notes StyleMaker Pull-down Menu Functions StyleMaker Buttons Making Guitar Styles with the StyleMaker Buttons For Help on Help, Press F1 on your computer keyboard. 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Re: Need Some guidance pghboemike #144677 01/02/12 11:35 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,815 Kemmrich Expert
Kemmrich Expert Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,815	I think your question is: *Is it easy to do chords and lyrics together in BIAB (and you need tight control over where the lyrics go), or should you do most of the notation in something like Finale's PrintMusic?* I haven't used BIAB lyrics feature, so I can't really help -- but I have heard others say that notation in not necessarily BIAB's strength. If you have a program that's purpose in life is to print out charts with lyrics, then I would go that route. Maybe someone who has tried what you want will chime in. Kevin Now at bandcamp: Crows Say Vee-Eh @ bandcamp or soundcloud: Kevin @ soundcloud

Re: Need Some guidance TerryB #144678 01/02/12 11:37 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12 D dr_macd Newbie
dr_macd Newbie D Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 12	Yep Terry, as an amateur musicians who as you sugest relys heavily on the lyrics in the song, I totaly understand. Having just winged it for nigh on 30 years, you just carnt change the habits ( sins ) of a life time. As for manual a lot of the modern, ( which i am guessing is what your into ) stuff is in PDF format supplied with or without the printed sheet. I personaly am trying to scan this in via "Photoscore" lite which will import PDF's and output midi. then try to get the melody only so that real band will produce a backing track for mre to play to. I play at the "old peoples" early morning service buut I am looking to have some livley backing tracks for use away from church. I may well be wrong but i can see it taking way more that 10 mins per song to manualy enter the notes. If your not making backing tracks then the Photoscore lite may well do it for you. Keep me posted as to how you get on.

Re: Need Some guidance dr_macd #144679 01/02/12 12:56 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 612 Central Florida Robert Coy Journeyman
Robert Coy Journeyman Joined: May 2000 Posts: 612 Central Florida	I use the lrics notation all the time and when you get used to it, it's very easy. I've done over 300 songs using it. You add the syllable for each note (with a - for hyphenated words.) It's easy and accurate. Bob Coy HP Desktop Windows 10 Home, AMD A6-7310, 6GB Ram 1TB Hard drive. Radeon Graphics & Sound

Re: Need Some guidance TerryB #144680 01/03/12 05:49 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA M Mac Veteran
Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Hi TerryB, I don't think you would have to deal with note-based lyrics just to get a chart with lyricas and the chords above them. Check out the BIG LYRICS Window in BiaB. If the chords are entered into the BiaB grid, lyrics entered into the old non-note-based lyrics slot in Notation mode, in the right places, should match the chord changes. --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

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