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I use the BCF2000 with Sonar. Works well. You can program the sucker to control just about any parameter. However, I still find myself drawing envelopes. 
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Behringer earned a bad rep early on due to high-end boards failing and, in my case, effects units not being static resistant. IMO they have long since overcome the quality issues. I have owned and/or gifted nearly a dozen pieces of their equipment and plan to buy more. I am considering their control surfaces for use with Propellerhead Reason.
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One of the tests of product quality, in my opinion, has been whether or not Sweetwater music would carry a product line. They have carried Behringer for the past year to two years. They were long on signing up. I don't know whether or not they felt pressured into it, or if they felt product quality has risen to their level of acceptance, or both or neither of these.
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Those are good points, and I'll have to ask my Sweetwater contact about Behringer next time I need gear.
The main problem I had wasn't exactly 'product quality' - it was a high background noise level in a mixer and also in a headphone splitter/amp. They just couldn't compare to Mackie or Alesis or even Sampson at the time (about eight years ago).
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Matt,
I had the same problem with an old (mid 1990s) Behringer. compressor. I think you'll find that they have improved greatly, even from 8 years ago.
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I DID make the leap and am getting one of these from someone reselling one he bought and never used. So not only do I get a bargain, I get one for a price point that I can always resell and break even. And if this works out better than the MOTU stuff I bought, I know I can get out what I put in for those. As difficult as it was to find them, they must be becoming scarce. Particularly the PCI card....
I don't hjave deadlines so I can play with this as I see fit. I am in the process of perceiving at the moment, envisioning the rewire where I bring the audio back out of my M-Audio interface and mix digitally on the Behringer instead of the Mackie. It's all good though as I do consider myself a gatherer of knowledge, and more learning is never a bad thing.
Once I climbed MOTU Mountain and got it to work as desired, that challenge was behind me. Now on to learning this century's techniques.
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I think you will enjoy the BCF2000 once you get all of the setup kinks ironed out. I was able to get mine up and running in Sonar with the help of their forum members.
I also opted to get the BCF's bother (or sister), the BCR2000 which is a 32 rotary/30 button control surface. It is another cool little device in theory but has been a little more difficult to get set up to my needs.
As others have stated, don't let technology get in the way of making music. Honestly, I rarely even turn the units on anymore except towards the very end of a project. And still I find myself adjusting by mouse out of habit.
***** luck.
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Looks like I misspelled "Good" :-)
Good luck.
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Okay, had the Behringer (and the M-Audio Fast Trak) installed in about 20 minutes after downloading fresh drivers for both. Some minor configuration, that was little more than holding down button 4 while powering up. Opened Sonar. Set the MIDI device and control surface ports to the proper places, loaded a song that was already dumped to WAV files and saved that way, turned on automation, and watched as the volume sliders on the tracks went up and down while I played. One little thing I need to figure out yet is how to renumber the tracks. I have 9 tracks on this song. 1-8 and on slider 1 thru 8. Then I go to the next back of 8 and for some reason track 9 on the song is on slider 6 of the second bank. I THINK it's because I was bouncing them around while they were in Real Band and deleted a bunch of tracks and moved that vocal track 9 up to the 9 slot. I will play with it more over the weekend but if nothing else this has the cool factor as I watch the sliders move slowly and subtly showing the automation changes.
Scott, you were right. This is better.
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But Eddie - you conquered the dual MOTU Throwdown! I have to tip my hat to you for trying the Behringer. You are gonna get hooked on automation. Once you get used to using it, there's no going back - just a warning. You'll be the next voice on the PG boards begging for it across the board.
Here's some things that you can do with automation that are just plain fun:
1. Automate your reverb and other bus effect levels for added drama. I do this with reverb on fadeouts sometimes - increasingly dial up the reverb send while simultaneously pulling the track volume down. Wave bye-bye to the music as it slips over the horizon.
2. Non-destructive gain changes. Fade in and outs can be reversed, multipe edits of a project saved, etc.
3. Automate individual parameters on VST and VSTi. I use this quite a bit with filter cutoff frequencies for old/new school filter sweeps on synths and 'ambient' guitar tracks. The row of knobs along the top of the Behringer will work well for that. For a cool filter to mess with, get Frohmage free from Ohmforce.
4. You can quickly comp a single track by automating gain changes on a bank of tracks. I think Mac uses this quite a bit.
Now, let's hear some music!
-Scott
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Yes sir, Scott, automation will take over my music life!!! I got my first taste of it last night and I am going to enjoy it.
Now on to learning more about VST and VSTi. I know a little, but need to grow. My first exposure was soft synths, and I had a Prophet 5, a B3 and a Roland Jupiter as well as the standard Cakewalk TSS set, so I have SOME knowledge but need to gather more plug-ins AND more knowledge about using them.
As I said since I started (whining) on the forums, I am a hacker first. I want to push things to their limit and then break the rules. Make things work in a way outside of how they were intended. (I still remember how many people told me my Texas Instruments computer would never work with hard drives. Until the day I walked into a monthly grop meeting with a 40 mb hard drive attached and running.) That is what got more people trying multiple outputs. seeing the crashes, and realizing "Hey, there's a bug", which PG Music promptly fixed! That put the MOTU thing to rest. It's still there is I want it, but now I start to gather knowledge in another area, digital mixing and production.
After all of that, THEN comes the musician who wishes he could sing better.....
And once again, I sing the praises of this company. Above and beyond. Sonar typically tells you to read the manual....
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Now on to learning more about VST and VSTi. I know a little, but need to grow. My first exposure was soft synths, and I had a Prophet 5, a B3 and a Roland Jupiter as well as the standard Cakewalk TSS set, so I have SOME knowledge but need to gather more plug-ins AND more knowledge about using them.
Eddie, I would recommend that before going off into more VSTi, you try to think about what it is that you don't have in your arsenal that you are looking for from a sound/timbre standpoint.
I'm guessing you would like electromechanical keyboards like tonewheel organs and electric pianos and clavinet sounds. Do not pass up the freeware versions of B3 and various electric pianos from GSi. http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=37
Those are my go-to softsynths for those types of sounds. I actually have the payware versions of VB3 and Mr. Ray's 73 which I won in song contests at KVRaudio.com
I have a couple other soft synths that I use regularly, but if you already have a couple of Prophet synths, you are likely not going to use the others that I would recommend.
VST - I have a boatload of those, but I regularly use less than 20 of my arsenal. A couple of go-to reverbs, delays, filters, dynamics and modulation effects. I use quite a bit of the effects that come built-in with Tracktion, that are not VST.
Have fun and let's hear some tunes.
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Yeah, Scott, I don't use a lot of "synthy" sounds. Growing up on the music I grew up with, my sound palette is pretty basic, like the huge Hammond organ sounds in Pink Floyd kind of music and the natural pianos, with the occasional Rhodes and Werlizter thrown in, all things I have owned in my life.
Mainly my music will continue to come from RB anyway, and the stuff I get from there is really strong.
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