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The title I hope gives an idea of what I am about to ask, since Windows 7 and the next to be released Windows 8, touch screen technology is part of the system, and in fact Windows 8 seems to be geared up for that alone.
So has anybody had any experience with BIAB or any other music creating software come to that, on a touch screen yet?
Does it work well, or does it not?
Or worse does the touch screen actually mess things up?
I am at the moment pondering on building my own system and answers to that question could be quite important for the future.
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I have a touch screen on my Win 7/32 speech synthesis device. You must have excellent dexterity to make selections on the small targets on the drop-down menus. You will need a stylus so you will still be limited to one hand operation.
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I hate them, but when in Rome.... I have an iPhone, an iPad, and a Droid based tablet. My GPS is touch as well. No escaping. That being said, I doubt I will ever want a touch screen computer, because I don't want to do an olympic muscle training session when I use my computer. Up and down, to the screen and back, 6-7-8.... Mouse and keyboard are fine with me. (As are moose and squirrel....) Plus I am EXTREMELY anal about fingerprints on my monitor screen. I am so anal in general that my dual screens MUST be butted together EXACTLY at the right height and in a way that there is no light between the edges of the two displays. To the point where I duct tape them from behind so they stay ABSOLUTELY flush at all time. My DVDs are in alphabetical order, as are my CDs (about 1000 of them in binders of 100 each. I AM smart enough to leave room in the binder for additions, but with digital media I rarely buy CDs anymore. Downloading is the way to go.).
Yet when I get home and empty my pockets before changing from work clothes I just toss all the crap on the table.....
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I thought I remember someone had tried BIAB under Windows 8 Beta?
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I could try it on my Maestro Dynavox as a test but I promised myself that I wouldn't clutter up the SSD (this time). If BIAB does not mess with my registry I might 'ave a go at it. Advise please.
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I couldn't decide if I was anal or OCD. Then I realized that I was CDO. With the letters in order. Like they should be.....
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One major problem with touch screen computers is a lack of idea how best they should be used and the screen position. Ergonomically a vertical screen results in painful arms anyway, so the best position is actually where your keyboard is now, with a slight tilt up away from you and you looking slightly downwards. In other words the position you would most likely adopt if reading a book, newspaper etc. I was pointed to this in Wikipedia regarding the ergonomics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Gorilla_armHaving asked this question elsewhere I am learning quite a lot as I don't even have a mobile phone, let alone one of these touch screen things of whatever name or flavour. However, for the touch screen to be of use in any music software, the technical guys will have to look seriously at how to implement it into the programming and coding of it first, so come on guys get busy. Touch screen in most other applications is with us like it or not, and we will have to deal with it. Windows 8 is aimed at touch screen, by Windows 10 there may be no input from keyboard or mouse available. It is actually becoming a little scary, as I saw this quote from someone on another forum. "I recently saw a young child who couldn't have been much more than about 1 year old who had a magazine on his lap in a waiting room. He was trying to tap, swipe and pinch every picture in the magazine and when nothing happened he gave it back to his mother with the all-encompassing comment, 'Broken.' I wondered what the world is coming to." And we worry about kids not able to do maths without a calculator?
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I know a fellow whose son's handicap makes a touchscreen PC a little easier to operate.
He has an HP Touchscreen system, but they have also connected a USB mouse and keyboard to it, yielding "best of both world" operating choices.
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Windows 8 is aimed at touch screen, by Windows 10 there may be no input from keyboard or mouse available.
By Windows 11, you will just look at your screen, think your command, and blink twice.
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Doesn't bear thinking about what they've already developed but havn't told us about.
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Windows 8 is aimed at touch screen, by Windows 10 there may be no input from keyboard or mouse available.
By Windows 11, you will just look at your screen, think your command, and blink twice.
women have enjoyed this interface with men for centuries.
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It's very true that my right arm (I'm right handed) gives out after extending it to the screen all day. Interestingly, my Dynavox Maestro has "Eye Max" capability where all input is controlled and implemented by eye movements. Could that be Windows 9?
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Technology is moving on ever faster Don, and I see voice control being the next major thing, just tell your computer what you want and bingo it is there, Windows 7 already has a crude and poor version already, so improvement is the next phase so that the voice recognition can handle any accent or inflection in speech. Imagine just telling the computer you want BIAB to start off with a blues harmony, then sing or hum and the notes appear in the notation. Then tell it you want that to be a flute. Finale gets near to that with its mic notator, don't know if the later versions of BIAB have it as mine is still 2007 version.
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Windows 8 is aimed at touch screen, by Windows 10 there may be no input from keyboard or mouse available.
By Windows 11, you will just look at your screen, think your command, and blink twice.
That ain't gonna work too well for us blinks with glass eyes.
I guess I could take out one eye and sort of wiggle it in front of the screen. LOL.
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Well, you have seen those "glare screens" meant to reduce glare from outside light, right?
I had the original glare screen, though mine is different. Mine reacts to when I glare at it in anger....
On a serious note, I had a prof when I went back to college in 1992 for the computer degree who had written a voice recognition script with hardware for a quadriplegic student. It was absolutely amazing. Now at that point it only worked with Office Suite products, but he could say "Open Excel" and Excel would run. Then "Open inventory" and it found inventory.xls and opened it. It was awesome to see. No idea what happened to it after that.
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I wanted to show a demo of EyeMax but they are doing site maintenance today. Another awesome communications solution for us paralyzed folks is called "eye scanning" whereby the screen slowly scans through the options and when your choice is highlighted you blink (or otherwise trigger) your selection. Don't imagine a 104-key QWERTY keyboard. It's much simpler than that. They use "Frequency of use" words and phrases and you would marvel at how quickly a user can construct an entire conversation, even on the telephone. It's amazing.
If you have Netflix, watch the movie "The Diving Bell And The Butterfly" about a man who could only blink, nothing else, and wrote the book. Very encouraging to me.
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My wife brought her IPad home from work a while back so I could try it out and see how well it work with speech.
I was surprised how good the voice over software worked, but I hated the touch screen as input.
I sure hope they never completely replace the good old keyboard as input for the PC.
I ran a test once to see who was faster on the computer. My wife using her mouse and me with the keyboard using shortcut keys.
LOL. I was much faster.
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