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Sorry to bug you all again, but I have a singer that wants to do "Moondance" (Van Morrison)...
Is there any way to enter the chords for the last 4 bars of the ending with the triplet-pattern like the original? I did a search on "triplets" across all the PG_forums and didn't get any hits. (I also did a search on the Yahoo/BiaB group to see if anyone else has asked about this, and also came up dry...)
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That looks like it would work if I was A) using MIDI, and B) entering the entire chord structures as sheet-music/piano voicings. There doesn't appear to be any way to tell the RealTracks to just play the written chord-symbols as quarter-note triplets... Unless I'm missing something...
But thanks. I didn't think there was a way to do what I wanted to do.
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Try swing feel. There are also styles that have this built in. Keep plugging, someone will know. Maybe Matt or Mac.
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I don't spend any time trying to get RealTracks to play a particular figure; I write it into the MIDI track(s) and, if needed, mute the appropriate RealTrac(s) at that place.
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I don't typically spend a lot of time trying to nail certain things such as this when laying out a song in BiaB. Such usually doesn't make a very good presentation IMO.
Instead, I might take a look at doing it some other way that the program does well, or, if insisting on the use of RealTracks especially, might leave that kind of thing for me to play on the keyboard during the performance rather than having the BiaB accompaniment try to nail something that the Style is not really programmed to do.
There are literally countless ways to end that song that will work fine.
But if faced with a singer who cannot live without the special thing, it may well be time to forego use of Realtracks and find a good MIDI file of the song that is basically note-for-note and load that instead. That, coupled with a great sounding MIDI synth, can turn in a good performance as well.
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I ended up just representing the last five chords with "..." after them, and I'll play the triplets myself, and just let BiaB play the downbeats...In the end it was just easier. It's one of those things BiaB just doesn't do well... triplets, ritards, holds, etc. But, there are so many things that it does that just blow me away, that I can live with that. 
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I'd export it as a MIDI file, import it into a MIDI sequencer (or use Real Band) and use a MIDI controller to enter the triplets by playing them.
That's the easiest way for me, of course there are other ways to do it.
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Thanks, Bob...But: A) I don't have a MIDI sequencer B) Every time I try to fool with RealBand I give up in frustration within an hour. (NEVER have I seen a product that is probably so feature-rich, that is so woefully undocumented and difficult to understand for someone who is not already MIDI-savvy...And yes, I printed out the entire User's Guide and put it in a binder, and while I'm sure it's great for someone who already understands MIDI, what I would like to see is "An Idiot's Guide to RealBand" that steps you through some basic processes until you can get up to speed.) C) Since I'm a guitar-player, it's not likely that I'll acquire some way to play things into BiaB to accomplish what I need. I'm sure "it's easy--if you know how", but I find RealBand too complicated to deal with. (But I'd sure be the first one to buy a good book on it!) hint, hint...
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There are simpler sequencers out there than Real Band. True they don't have as many features, but that might be why they are easier to use.
I'd love to recommend one, but the one I use is very old. I use a pre-Win95 version of Master Tracks Pro. When GVox bought the program from Passport, they introduced a lot of bugs, and they still haven't fixed them. So I use the old program. Works fine except for the 8.3 file name restriction.
Perhaps someone here can recommend a very simple, basic MIDI sequencer that is extremely easy to use. I'm sure L.J. would appreciate it.
There are zillions of things you can do in a MIDI sequencer to take the already very good output of Band-in-a-Box and turn it into something truly excellent. The two apps go together quite well.
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and while I'm sure it's great for someone who already understands MIDI, what I would like to see is "An Idiot's Guide to RealBand" that steps you through some basic processes until you can get up to speed.
Real Band is a midi sequencer and one of the best out there. The fact you don't know that means you need some basic education. Nothing wrong with that, not making fun or anything everyone starts somewhere including me about 8 years ago. I knew squat about it as well. There is no such thing as an idiots guide to RB because its assumed you as the user already know the basics about midi. It's like buying a car but you never took a drivers ed lesson and don't have your license yet. Or you go to Home Depot and buy $2,000 worth of nice carpenters tools but you've never swung a hammer in your life. Is it the responsibility of Honda to teach you how to drive or HD to teach you woodworking skills? Obviously not and it's the same here.
What you have to do is the same thing I did years ago. Just start working it and read these forums. By read I don't mean just post questions I mean read every thread for the last year or so. You will not only learn stuff you'll find all kinds of very good resources that people have posted links to that you'll never find if you don't start going through old threads.
No other way Lady unless you want to take a formal course in digital audio production at your local community college and that's not a bad idea btw.
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>>>...Every time I try to fool with RealBand I give up in frustration within an hour. (NEVER have I seen a product that is probably so feature-rich, that is so woefully undocumented and difficult to understand for someone who is not already MIDI-savvy...And yes...>>>
Yes the RB documentation does seem to assume a knowledge of the basics. I had to learn from a 3d-party manual, somthing like "MIDI for Dummies." You can get it from the public library.
There is a set of songs that come with Band-in-a-box that is good to learn on. Look for the folder called C:\BB\50songs. Open these up in RB, then look at the melody in the notation window. Drag the notes around and right click to see and manipulate the properties of the notes.
You should be able to hear the changes you are making to the notes. If that's not working, call PG tech support.
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>>> There are simpler sequencers out there than Real Band
Sure, but they don't have the features you need. For example, the sequencer that Bob talks about doesn't handle audio at all, so would be useless for a project like this that is full of audio (RealTracks). By analogy, Notepad is a great word processor, unless you want different fonts or bolded text in your document.
RealBand would be ideal for your project, you could copy and paste chunks of audio to create the rhythm effect that you want for the ending.
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Ray Thigpen had a good tutorial on RealBand. I think he is no longer with us but someone may have a copy of it they could link to.
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This is a little long, please bear with me.
For audio I almost always use Power Tracks Pro Audio, and I'm getting to know Real Band. They are excellent tools.
I'm weird, I prefer to do all my MIDI work first on an uncluttered interface with no sub-menus or sub-menus to the sub-menus. It allows me to keep my hands on my instruments more (keyboard, wind MIDI controller, or percussion MIDI controller) and on the mouse and/or computer keyboard less. This is what I like about MT Pro. Every function can be accessed by a drop down menu with no sub-menus. Click the menu bar, click the selection and the dialog box opens. MTPro also has a very easy to use groove filter (they call it a change filter) but that's the subject for another post.
Then after all my MIDI work is done, I'll import it into PT Pro Audio and start with the audio. Of course there will still be some MIDI tweaks to done in PT Pro as the audio gets layerd, but the most time consuming MIDI parts will be already taken care of in a MTPro environment that is uncluttered by audio.
But that's my own personal work flow. Others prefer to work with both at the same time. Neither way is right or wrong. Now that I'm using Real Tracks a bit, I'm doing more work in RB but if I start something from scratch, it's always MTPro first.
Some people like all in one tools, some prefer separate tools for separate functions. Could be how our brains are "wired" by our previous experiences, could be just how we naturally approach things. I think anyone who works with tools whether they are digital or mechanical has their own preferred way of working. As long as the result is good (in our case the music), who cares which tool got it there?
Interfaces in different MIDI/Audio sequencers are different too, even though they pretty much perform the same functions. I learned on a couple of different sequencers before I found MTPro, and immediately bonded with that one. It seemed to "think" about music the same way I did. I have a friend who is a whiz at Cubase, I find the Cubase interface non-intuitive for me. Neither one is wrong and both are right.
Personally, I think a sequencer and DAW are natural partners with BiaB. And with Real Band you get all three in one.
Out of the box, BiaB's output can be somewhat generic. And that's the way it should be. By request, I once wrote a style for the Elvis Presley song, "Don't Be Cruel". It worked pretty well but when I tried using the style on other songs,that signature lick just made everything sound like a variation to "Don't Be Cruel". For the amount of time I spent creating that style, I could have finished the song in a MIDI sequencer two or three times over.
So when you take the somewhat generic output of BiaB and then tweak it in a sequencer, DAW or Real Band, you can get things like those triplets you talked about in Moondance. Whether the edits are song-specific or they come out of your head, you can take the already very good output of BiaB and turn it into something truly outstanding.
While DAW work can seem overwhelming at first, you can learn a little at a time and before you know it you will be a wizard. Get an entry level book on MIDI or search the 'net for lessons and you will be on your way. You mentioned that you play guitar, I would also recommend a MIDI controller so you can input MIDI as well as audio into your work. An inexpensive MIDI keyboard will do the trick. Korg sells these little USB things that are about as wide as a laptop that should be good enough for casual MIDI entering, especially for someone who doesn't yet have keyboard skills. On the other hand, a full sized MIDI keyboard controller would be a nice addition of skills to your guitar playing.
I started out on drums, quickly moved to saxophone, and for years it was my only instrument. I messed around on guitar and bass a bit while in bands, learning bass or rhythm parts to particular songs and then added some one-handed keyboard 'doubling' when necessary. But I didn't consider myself a player of these instruments. As the years went by I got better at them and my interest grew. In time, without any noticing of it happening, I became able to gig with them and actually did from time to time.
But the best part about picking up another instrument is learning how that instrument expresses itself. This increases your understanding of music in general and your 'home' instrument playing actually gets better. I play about 1/3 sax, guitar and with synth on the gig with a little flute and percussion controller thrown in (I leave the keyboard at home although I used to bring it). Learning keyboard and guitar helped my sax playing more than I can measure.
The same thing happened when I started sequencing back in the 1980s on my Atari computer. By adding instrument parts I didn't know how to play (trumpet, harmonica, or whatever) I first had to learn to listen to recordings of those instruments, and then emulate what I could in the sequencer. This taught me a lot about how those other instruments express themselves, and again all this improved my sax, guitar, bass, flute, wind synth, and keyboard synth playing. But the biggest bonus to that is it also increased my enjoyment of listening to music. And that is a gift that is worth its weight in gold.
So while it may seem overwhelming at first, take it a little at a time. Learn some simple skills first and build on them. If you take it in small, manageable chunks, before you know it, you will be good at it, and I guarantee it will help your guitar playing and increase your enjoyment while listening to music.
You already have Real Band, so it won't even cost you anything to start.
And of course, enjoy the adventure!
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You admit to being weird but you put forward this 'idea' to tell us all to 'get weird too?'
As for me I'm wired. It's a letter short.
Just don't go for a short in your wiring.
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Thank you all for not "beating up on me"... I REALLY want to learn, but as I said, after about an hour I get frustrated and just give up. (FYI, I DID find a copy of "MIDI for Dummies" on Amazon, (Used: $7.26)... I just ordered it.) I REALLY want to take my knowledge to the "next level", and now that I just retired from my day-gig, and have gone back to music full-time, I have even MORE motivation to continue that learning process. I'm starting to get a pretty nice rotating set of gigs with just ME and the computer, and on a regular basis I get asked "What are you using?", and of course I point them to BiaB. Since I "think" like a jazz guitar player, my tracks are obviously infused with a lot the extensions/enhancements that I play when I'm gigging; i.e., Xb5#9, Xm11, etc. I spend time learning all of the new RT styles and instruments, and constantly look forward to the new releases which only enhance my 'vocabulary' with track-creation. (It's also obvious that I appear to be one of the few people in the Denver market doing what I'm doing, which has the added advantage of making it rather "unique", and people notice...) By the way, PeterG, if you happen to read this, I can't thank you enough for all the hard work, creativity and obvious love of the product that goes into it. It shows...And it's appreciated. So, as I say, thanks to you all for not "pouncing on me" for what I personally feel is my own "ignorance"--which I'm trying to rectify. As a "retirement-age" still-gigging jazz musician, I'm finally at that point that I always wanted to be: retired, not having to split my time with a day-gig, (which, admittedly was something I basically did to "support my 'music-habit'..."), and now free to pursue my music again full-time. I still long for some kind of "Idiot's Guide to RealBand" from the folks who REALLY know how to use it...But in the meantime, I'll continue to try to dig it out as best I can. (Side comment to "Notes" Norton: I always read your posts on the Yahoo Groups, and you always take the time to give great comments...I don't always agree with them, but I ALWAYS read them because you have valid things to say, and agree or not, they're worth reading...) So there, I've finished going all "Kumbaya" on you guys...
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These forums are the Idiot's Guide to RealBand and Biab, there are some incredible users here!
I think you play incredible Guitar for any gender! Post some Please!
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Kind of you to say... I'm still working on finding a way to lay some solo tracks down on top of the BiaB tracks I've created so I can upload them to my website. I'm almost there. I would like to share some of the stuff I've been doing someday...
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You admit to being weird but you put forward this 'idea' to tell us all to 'get weird too?'
As for me I'm wired. It's a letter short.
Just don't go for a short in your wiring.
BTW, I'm proud to be weird!
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Thank you all for not "beating up on me"... I REALLY want to learn, but as I said, after about an hour I get frustrated and just give up.
This forum is full of novice to experts, and we don't beat up on people very often at all 
Plus everybody contributes what they can, and the novice can teach the expert a thing or two. I know when I was teaching sax, my students taught me a few things. Nobody knows it all.
Take things a bit at a time. Remember, you didn't learn jazz tunes on the guitar the first day, you probably started with those simple Mel Bay type exercises. Working with a DAW should be easier to learn than the guitar, because you will be taking a lot of theory and musical knowledge with you. You don't need to learn that all over again, just how to apply it to the sequencer.
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I REALLY want to take my knowledge to the "next level", and now that I just retired from my day-gig, and have gone back to music full-time, I have even MORE motivation to continue that learning process.
Good for you. One nice thing for me about music, is that there is always something new to learn. And the more I learn, the more I find I need to know. It keeps it an adventure instead of something boring.
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(Side comment to "Notes" Norton: I always read your posts on the Yahoo Groups, and you always take the time to give great comments...I don't always agree with them, but I ALWAYS read them because you have valid things to say, and agree or not, they're worth reading...)
Thanks for the kind words. And agreeing is not mandatory I am a loudmouth, opinionated, but always willing to help. One thing I often say is that there is more than one right way to make music. And while my way may be right for me, it is never going to be right for everybody.
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By the way, PeterG, if you happen to read this, I can't thank you enough for all the hard work, creativity and obvious love of the product that goes into it. It shows...And it's appreciated.
I've got to add a big +1 to that one.
BiaB is a great product, and Peter and the people who work with him are always pleasant and provide great support. It's the reason why there is no real competition to BiaB. Keep up the great work PG!!!
And I don't always agree with what they do, but I appreciate all they do. The things that I disagree with are there for other people to enjoy.
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Order before 11:59pm PDT on Friday, May 15th and SAVE up to 50% on most Band-in-a-Box® version 2026 for Mac Upgrade packages... and that's not all! With your version 2026 for Mac purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons FREE! Upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks... that's 222 NEW RealTracks available with version Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac!
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac® today for as little as $49! Check out the Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all available purchase options.
Learn more about the Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK here.
If you have any questions about which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We're here to help!
202 New RealTracks Released with Band-in-a-Box 2026!
With Band-in-a-Box® 2026, we've released 202 incredible new RealTracks (in sets 468-488) in a variety of genres—featuring your most requested styles!
Jazz, Funk & World (Sets 468-475):
Our new jazz, funk & blues RealTracks include a groovin’ collection of RealTracks and RealDrums! These include more requested “soul jazz” RealTracks featuring artists Neil Swainson (bass), Charles Treadway (organ), Brent Mason (guitar), and Wes Little (drums). There are new “smooth jazz” styles (4), which include a RealTracks first: muted trumpet, as well as slick new smooth jazz brushes options for drums. Blues lovers will be thrilled—there are more “classic acoustic blues” styles, including guitar (5), bass (4), and drums (10) with blues master Colin Linden, featuring understated and tasty background acoustic soloing, plus brushes drums and acoustic bass. There are also new electric blues RealTracks, including electric blues with PG favorite Johnny Hiland (3) and soulful electric slide guitar from Colin Linden (4). If you love funk & gospel, there are great new options this year, including gospel organ (3) from Charles Treadway, as well as new funk, tango, and rock ’n’ roll drums (3) and bass (1). And for big, bold arrangements, we have uptempo soul horns (4) featuring a three-part hip horn section with options for a full mix or stems of each individual horn — plus an accompanying rhythm section (4) of drums, bass, guitar, and electric piano!
Rock & Pop (Sets 476–482):
Our new rock & pop RealTracks bring a powerful mix of requested favorites, fresh genres, and modern chart-inspired styles! We have more of our popular “Producer Layered Acoustic Guitars (15)” featuring Band-in-a-Box favorite Brent Mason. We’ve continued our much-requested disco styles (10), and added new Celtic guitar (5) with a more basic, accessible approach than our previous Drop-D or DADGAD offerings. There are also highly requested yacht rock styles (17), inspired by the smooth, polished soft-rock sound of the late ’70s and early ’80s — laid-back grooves, silky electric pianos, warm textures, elegant harmonic movement, and pristine production aesthetics. Fans of heavier styles will love our new glam metal (13), capturing the flashy, high-energy sound of ’80s arena-ready guitar rock. We also have a set of rootsy modern-folk rock (18), with a warm, organic sound combining contemporary folk textures and driving acoustic strumming. And we’ve added lots of new modern pop styles (16) — the kinds of sounds you’re hearing on the radio today, featuring exciting new drums, synths, and cutting-edge RealTracks arrangements.
Country, & Americana (Sets 483–488):
Our new country & Americana RealTracks deliver a rich collection of acoustic, electric, and roots-inspired styles! We have new country pop (9) with legendary guitarist Brent Mason. There is also a potpourri (14) of bouzouki, guitars, banjo, and more, perfect for adding texture and character to contemporary acoustic arrangements. We’ve added funky country guitar (5) with PG favorite Brent Mason, along with classic pedal steel styles (5) featuring steel great Doug Jernigan. There are more country songwriter styles (8) that provide intimate, rootsy foundations for storytelling and modern Americana writing. Finally, we have “background soloing” acoustic guitar (12) with Brent Mason — simpler, but still very tasty acoustic lines designed to sit beautifully behind vocals or act as a subtle standalone solo part.
Check out all the 202 new RealTracks (in sets 468-488)!
And, if you are looking for more, the 2026 49-PAK (for $49) includes an impressive collection of 20 bonus RealTracks, featuring exciting and inspiring additions to add to your RealTracks library. You'll get new country-rhythm guitar styles from PG Music favorites Johnny Hiland and Brent Mason, along with modern-pop grooves that capture today’s radio-ready sound! There are also new indie-folk styles with guitar, bass, 6-string bass used as a high-chording instrument, acoustic guitar, and banjo. Plus, dedicated "cymbal fills" RealDrums provide an added layer that work very well with low-key folky styles with other percussion.
The 2026 49-PAK is loaded with other great new add-ons as well. Learn more about the 2026 49-PAK!
2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
With your version 2026 for Mac Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!
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