|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
Hi all,
Q1: I made some modifications to an existing BIAB file of "Girl from Ipanema", which had as its melody instrument the jazz guitar voice. I changed this to a tenor sax, but each time I replay the song, the guitar reappears. This has happened before with other BIAB files, and I've just left it be, but I'd like to know how to make my change permanent.
Q2: As a default, BIAB substitutes what it considers the correct chord names based on the key of the chart. For example, I might type in G#m7 and BIAB substitutes Abm7. This makes sense, but there are times when I'd prefer to keep the chord name as I wrote it. Same thing with notes: BIAB makes changes based on the bar's chord. I've looked under the Opt menu for how to change this, but failed to find the switch to tell BIAB to retain the chord or note as I typed it. Where is the control option over this function?
Thanks for the help,
Bob aka jazzwombat (who wishes that this forum screen supported tab keys....sheesh)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670 |
Quote:
Hi all,
Q1: I made some modifications to an existing BIAB file of "Girl from Ipanema", which had as its melody instrument the jazz guitar voice. I changed this to a tenor sax, but each time I replay the song, the guitar reappears. This has happened before with other BIAB files, and I've just left it be, but I'd like to know how to make my change permanent.
You apparently have a Patch Change in your Event List for the melody track. this is an embedded cc in the midi file which will change the instrument at that point in time.
Go into the event editor (Notation-Event List Editor] and remove the embedded cc which swithes the instrument. 
BIAB – 2026, Reaper (current), i7-12700F Processor, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM, Motu Audio Express 6x6 - My SoundCloud.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191 |
Hi Bob,
When I have used the Virtual Sound Canvas DXi this is how I have been able to make changes permanent.
I open the DXi and click "set up" down the bottom at the right. Then I click "receive events" and uncheck the PC/Bank boxes.
I can then choose what instruments I want to use and they don't get over written.
Hope that helps with question 1.
Others might be able to help with the chords.
I thought there was an enharmonic function somewhere but it alludes me. I thought it was under "preferences",where you click the notation tab and then the "use chord scale for enharmonics" tab. It didn't change the chord name though, so I'm not much help with question 2.
yjoh
[i]Music...a joy for life.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,697 |
Bob, do you have the correct key sig set in the key window? If not do it.
Bob
Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
Quote:
You apparently have a Patch Change in your Event List for the melody track. this is an embedded cc in the midi file which will change the instrument at that point in time.
Go into the event editor (Notation-Event List Editor] and remove the embedded cc which swithes the instrument.
Thanks. I'll take a look and see what I can do. I've not used the Event List Editor, so this will be a good education for me no matter. - Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
Quote:
Bob, do you have the correct key sig set in the key window? If not do it.
Bob
Yes, the key is correct. - Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
Quote:
Go into the event editor (Notation-Event List Editor] and remove the embedded cc which swithes the instrument.
Well, I looked, but don't see any suggestion of an embedded command that switches the instrument (to a guitar, in this particular case). All the events appear to be "note" events, nothing else. I saved the file using the "save song with patches", choose "tenor sax" for the melody instrument and clicked the "frozen" button. This seems to have worked. - Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670 |
Send us the file. If it is switching, it is there. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Don't overlook the fact that there are quite a few Style files that load particular specified instruments/Patches automatically with the Style.
This can be overcome by Editing a Style, removing said Instrument and
saving the file under a New Name so as not to overwrite and thus lose the original.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
Okay, but what is the best way to send a file? The forum appears to lack attachment options. Unlike your example, my BIAB file does not show any bank select or patch changes, just the pink note changes and yellow 'rest' commands.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
Quote:
Don't overlook the fact that there are quite a few Style files that load particular specified instruments/Patches automatically with the Style.
This can be overcome by Editing a Style, removing said Instrument and
saving the file under a New Name so as not to overwrite and thus lose the original.
--Mac
Sheesh, Mac, that might be it.  I had forgotten completely about that possibility, and I'll check to see if that is the cause later tonight. I'll post what I find. Thanks. - Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,400
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 22,400 |
Do you have the 'show all events' button enabled like in picture above?
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670 |
Quote:
Okay, but what is the best way to send a file? The forum appears to lack attachment options. Unlike your example
You first have to upload to a web site and then provide the link. I suppose there are free services for this. don't know cause I maintain my own site for this purpose. If you care to you can email to me I can post it here for you. .... You get the idea. 
Last edited by jazzmandan; 05/27/12 04:54 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
So....
Last night spent 2-3 hours changing things in BIAB in an attempt to correct loading a melody instrument over the one I chose. I solved the problem in that my chosen melody instrument is now retained by going into the "global song override" menu that you get to from the "Song settings" menu (Ctrl-N) and unclicking "Allow loading of any these settings" (sic). If that is checked, the guitar is loaded irrespective of what I select for a melody instrument.
I have sent jazzmandan the file for uploading.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,670 |
Quote:
So.... I have sent jazzmandan the file for uploading.
Here you go:
The Girl From Ipanema
Ok, have to admit I am stumped here. We want to change melody patch to anything other than jazz guitar, but when you hit play it just returns to jazz guitar.  I'll have to sleep on it and hope when I awake someone has a simple answer.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191 |
I've just loaded the file into BIAB.
Bob, what DXi are you using for play back? I opened the DXi window and chose the Coyote WT as the synth track, then loaded other sounds in Channel 4 (which is BIAB's melody channel).
The sounds stayed when I hit play.
The jazz guitar patch name stayed the same in the main BIAB window at the top left, but the actual patch playing was the one I chose.
I used to use the sound canvas DXi and I'd uncheck the "receive events" PC/Bank under setup as posted previously. The patch I wanted stayed as I wanted when I hit play.
yjoh
[i]Music...a joy for life.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191 |
Some screen shots to see if it helps at all. This with the Coyote. The patch name Jazz Guitar doesn't change but the play back patch does. I changed it to clarinet. When I hit play it stays on clarinet.  This is with the VSC. Same here the patch name doesn't change but the sound is that of the VSC, piano in this case.  I can't think of another way. Mac's idea to change the patch then re-save works. i've done that as well. Good luck!
yjoh
[i]Music...a joy for life.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457
Journeyman
|
|
OP
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 457 |
I channel midi out to a Ketron SD2 without DXi. My midi drivers are the Fast Track Ultra ones (ASIO).
Bob
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191 |
Hi Bob,
You must have posted as I was doing the screen shots.
I haven't used the Ketron so excuse my ignorance here but I'm guessing it's like other hard synths? If so you would need to set your synth to not receive patch changes. On my D50 I could stop it getting the patch change commands.
If it is a soft synth, there must be a window similar to the screen shots where you can stop the patch changes.
Others here use the Ketron so they might be of more help. Maybe it's a channel selection issue. Otherwise it's got me stumped.
yjoh
[i]Music...a joy for life.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 191 |
OK,
I found out the Ketron is a sound module. A suggestion to throw out to everyone.
Under Preferences > Midi Options, could unchecking the Patch Change boxes help?
Maybe the Style Patch Changes box in particular.
Otherwise you could look at the Fav Patches or Patch Map options in preferences. I do recall quite some time ago now having to do a patch map for my MT32 module.
yjoh
[i]Music...a joy for life.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Season's Greetings!
Wishing everyone a happy, healthy holiday season—thanks for being part of our community!
The office will be closed for Christmas Day, but we will be back on Boxing Day (Dec 26th) at 6:00am PST.
Team PG
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
In this video, we explore the updated Piano Roll, complete with a modernized look and exciting new features. You’ll see new filtering options that make it easy to focus on specific note groups, smoother and more intuitive note entry and editing, and enhanced options for zooming, looping, and more.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: AI Stems & Notes - split polyphonic audio into instruments and transcribe
This video demonstrates how to use the new AI-Notes feature together with the AI-Stems splitter, allowing you to select an audio file and have it separated into individual stems while transcribing each one to its own MIDI track. AI-Notes converts polyphonic audio—either full mixes or individual instruments—into MIDI that you can view in notation or play back instantly.
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®
With your version 2026 for Windows Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition or PlusPAK purchase, we'll include a Bonus PAK full of great new Add-ons for FREE! Or upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for only $49 to receive even more NEW Add-ons including 20 additional RealTracks!
These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!
This Free Bonus PAK includes:
- The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK:
-For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles.
-For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
- MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
- Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
- Playable RealTracks Set 5
- RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
- SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
- Android Band-in-a-Box® App (included)
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
- Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
- Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
- RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
- SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®!
Video: New User Interface (GUI)
Join Tobin as he takes you on a tour of the new user interface in Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Windows®! This modern GUI redesign offers a sleek new look with updated toolbars, refreshed windows, and a smoother workflow. The brand-new side toolbar puts track selection, the MultiPicker Library, and other essential tools right at your fingertips. Plus, our upgraded Multi-View lets you layer multiple windows without overlap, giving you a highly flexible workspace. Many windows—including Tracks, Piano Roll, and more—have been redesigned for improved usability and a cleaner, more intuitive interface, and more!
Watch the video.
You can see all the 2026 videos on our forum!
Introducing XPro Styles PAK 10 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 10 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 28 RealTracks and RealDrums!
Few things are certain in life: death, taxes, and a brand spankin’ new XPro Styles PAK! In this, the 10th edition of our XPro Styles PAK series, we’ve got 100 styles coming your way! We have the classic 25 styles each from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, and rounding out this volume's wildcard slot is 25 styles in the Praise & Worship genre! A wide spanning genre, you can find everything from rock, folk, country, and more underneath its umbrella. The included 28 RealTracks and RealDrums can be used with any Band-in-a-Box® 2026 (and higher) package.
Here’s just a small sampling of what you can look forward to in XPro Styles PAK 10: Soft indie folk worship songs, bumpin’ country boogies, gospel praise breaks, hard rockin’ pop, funky disco grooves, smooth Latin jazz pop, bossa nova fusion, western swing, alternative hip-hop, cool country funk, and much more!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 10 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 10 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Introducing Xtra Styles PAK 21 – Now Available for Windows Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher!
Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest Xtra Styles PAK installment—the all new Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher)!
Rejoice, one and all, for Xtra Styles PAK 21 for Band-in-a-Box® is here! We’re serving up 200 brand spankin’ new styles to delight your musical taste buds! The first three courses are the classics you’ve come to know and love, including offerings from the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres, but, not to be outdone, this year’s fourth course is bro country! A wide ranging genre, you can find everything from hip-hop, uptempo outlaw country, hard hitting rock, funk, and even electronica, all with that familiar bro country flair. The dinner bell has been rung, pickup up Xtra Styles PAK 21 today!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Energetic folk rock, raucous train beats, fast country boogies, acid jazz grooves, laid-back funky jams, a bevy of breezy jazz waltzes, calm electro funk, indie synth pop, industrial synth metal, and more bro country than could possibly fit in the back of a pickup truck!
Special offers until December 31st, 2025!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 21 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 21 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 21.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 21 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 21 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums57
Topics85,430
Posts791,915
Members39,884
| |
Most Online25,754
Jan 24th, 2025
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean