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Hey all.
Im working on a tune about the American Civil war.
As Im not from the US I dont want to offend any one.
Is the word "Yanky" seen as offensive.
Thank you in advance.
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Usually spelled "yankee", and sometimes shortened to "yank". I don't find it offensive. It has been used offensively by the confedertes during the war, and by other countries when referring to americans. Outside of the civil war it's sometimes used as a name for Americans. Some more info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee
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Rob, Quote:
Is the word "Yanky" seen as offensive.
EVERTHING over here is offensive to someone since political correctness has run amok, so don't worry about it. And by the way, it's spelled "Yankee". 
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What bobcflatpicker said.
Use it in New York and they'll just think you're talking about the baseball team.
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To my estimation it's roughly equivalent to Aussie, Canuck, Brit or Tommy, as the British soldiers were called in WWII. It certainly doesn't offend me. The accompanying tone and body language could easily turn them into insults, however. The term has a Dutch origin according to respected authorities from the combination of John (Yon) and Cheese (Kees). Source: Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YankeeEven the term damnyankee was found in American literature as a non offensive descriptive term. (qv). During WWII, "Yank" was a term of endearment for all American soldiers and Americans in general. I'd say: "Go for it!" But, thanks for asking us.
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Even the term damnyankee was found in American literature as a non offensive descriptive term. (qv).
A modern southern joke:
What is the difference between a yankee and a d*mn yankee?
A yankee comes down south for a week’s vacation, spends lots of money and then goes back home.
A d*mn yankee comes down south for a week’s vacation and never leaves! 
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Hey guys.
Thanks, you have put me at ease.
I feel its best to be cautious when writing about another countries history.
And to Bob thanks for the joke very funny.
Last edited by Rob4580; 08/08/12 06:10 PM.
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“Cliff Notes for an Australian on the Civil War” The Civil War was a very sad but fascinating time in American history. “Brother against brother” isn’t a cliché, … it actually happened. 1. Let me start by saying slavery is an abomination and should NEVER be tolerated. 2. The south had already lost the war before the first shot was ever fired. The rural Confederates were much better soldiers because they used guns to hunt and fend off “varmints”, but they were outnumbered 3 to 1 by the more urban Yankees, many of whom had never seen a gun. The north also had logistics and communication, (railroads and telegraphs), on their side. Railroads and telegraphs were virtually nonexistent in the south. The railroads provided fresh soldiers and supplies and the telegraphs gave the all-important “intel” to the north. Whether you use the conservative estimate of 6% or the liberal estimate of 20% of the Confederates who owned slaves, the simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of them didn’t own slaves. Most had never even seen a black person. Your average Confederate soldier wasn’t fighting for slavery! They were fighting to protect their homes and families from the invasion, rape, pillaging and murder from the north. (All of these things occur when an area is invaded by an opposing force, … sad but true). The Confederate leaders were the landowners and politicians, (aka slave owners), who "sold" the war to the average southerner as a “States Rights” issue. Many in the south still believe that today, but it’s obviously not true. It was about slavery. As in all wars, the leaders lied to the men on the lines. The south was ravaged for decades after the war by the Union troops and the defeat in the war. And since history is written by the victors in EVERY war, it’s colored by the Union historians input. The History Channel has some great documentaries on the Civil War and you may want to check some of those out. On a lighter note, good luck with your song! Hehe.
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I have a book called Company Aytch written by a Confederate private named Sam Watkins.
The sub title is A Side Show of the Big Show . Very interesting reading, I highly recommend it.
I also have a book written by a yankee private, Elisha Hunt Rhodes who later became the governor of Rhode Island.
It is entitled All For the Union . Both men fought in every battle of their respective outfits. The war as seen by the common soldier demonstrates the vast waste of life that it was.
Don S.
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vast waste of life
That says it all !!! I'd like to check out the books you mentioned. Thanks for the heads up.
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The so-called Civil War in the US still holds the record for the most Americans killed in battle. Hands down.
Men who risk and give their lives for what they believe in are not lives wasted.
--Mac
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Men who risk and give their lives for what they believe in are not lives wasted.
Great point. I just think the Civil War could have been averted with a little patience. Slavery was obviously an abomination, so I think if the average Joe in the south had realized that was what the war was actually about, he would would have stood up and opposed slavery.
But since the poor sucker thought he was opposing invasion from the north, he fought back. As would you or I.
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The tendency to underrate the understanding of men who lived in the past is often exaggerated.
Especially by academic writers...
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The tendency to underrate the understanding of men who lived in the past is often exaggerated.
Especially by academic writers...
Okay Mac, … You know me pretty well. I’m obviously not an academic writer.
If you tell me “those suckers are comin’ to get us.”, I’ll jump in to defend us.
But if you said “those suckers are comin’ to get us because we own slaves”, I'd say “What slaves?”
I just think the Confederate soldiers were duped by their leaders.
It happens to us all the time!
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I had two great grandfathers in that war. One died at Vicksburg of diarrhea. The other was from S.E. Missouri which was largely sympathetic to the south. He joined the federal army and was soon captured when he returned home on leave. He was in a stockade in Iuka, MS where his brother from the rebel army would kill squirrels with a slingshot and pass them to the fence to him. As a matter of survival, he went into the southern army. He deserted before the battle of Corinth, MS. His sergeant wrote, "Gone to the yanks, is and always has been one. He finished up in the U.S. Cavalry in S.W. MO. He developed what was then called piles and bled to death at a relatively young age. His widow drew his pension until 1910.
Yes, the cause was just, but I don't know what to call the death of 600,000 Americans as anything more than a vast waste. Wasted for a cause, but wasted nonetheless.
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And how sad is it that the biggest industry in the south after the war was selling "wooden legs"?
If you got shot in the leg, they cut it off!
We don't need to forget the atrocities of the Civil War. We need to remember them so we don't repeat them!
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Rob if you're interested in the Civil War watch the documentary by Ken Burns. It's long but it's brilliant.
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We don't need to forget the atrocities of the Civil War. We need to remember them so we don't repeat them!
WWI marked the lsat of that type of warfare where men would face off in straight lines and fire at each other. People finally realizewd just how futile that situation was, but as always, only after the fact.
Army generals are said to always be fighting the "last war" in engineering circles, meaning that technologie that are brought about generally languish while old curmudgeons keep on trying to do that which they know well while exhibiting untoward prejudice about new inventions, techniques and such.
The Polish Army in WWII was still putting all of their faith in the horse cavalry when Hitler's planes and tanks hit them. Just one example, there are many more from just about every nation.
The US "Civil War" history is replete with an outstanding example of this kind of buffoonery in the then new technology of the repeating rifle. Union generals, after extensive so-called "testing" refused to go with the early manual action repeating rifle designs, stating that their reason was that it "wasn't a musket" and "couldn't be fired from the prone position" simply because the early exampes of that new technology were lever-action. Apparently the concept of simply turning the rifle 90 degrees to ***** the lever eluded them.
But it did not elude the Confederacy, which purchased and used repeating rifles to great advantage. The Stevens lever action rifle became a symbol of the victorious Confederate armies for a while. (The Confederacy literally dominated the Union army for quite some time at the start through middle of this war.)
In our times, today's technologies have literally reshaped everything about the subject. Semi-Autonomous, Autonomous and Tele-Operated Drones, Missiles that can deliver payloads with literal pinpoint accuracy repeatedly, 3rd and 4th generation Night Vision capabilities, Air Power that, when implemented properly without idiotic ROE's, can attain complete Air Superiority over an enemy in a matter of hours, "Eye in the Sky" sattelites coupled with aircraft battle management, and, of course, the fact that we no longer employ drafted civilians for the task.
BTW -- the .50 and .60 caliber, slow-moving lead "Minie Ball" fired by the outdated muskets used during the Civil War was the thing most directly responsible for all the amputations, because the system resulted in crushed and broken bones that even today might represent a surgical repair challenge with low success in the result. The Geneva Convention addressed that problem directly and that is why we all can banter the term, "Full Metal Jacket" about ammo, though I doubt most really know what that really means or entails, or why it is even there at all.
War is not a "nice" thing.
But sometimes we have to do things that are not nice in order to survive what someone else intends for us.
--Mac
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A very important thing to understand is that the American Civil war was probably the most political war that was every fought on this planet. The underlying divisions are still there and there is a cultivated point of view for both sides of the issue so that even to this day you can look at certain catch phrases and know which side of the issue a person is on. One of the ways that both sides forced loyalty from their citizns was to define the war as North against South and invoking sectional loyalty but that only went so far to motivate those who did not want to participate. There were far more men conscipted into military service than there were who volunteered for such duty.
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