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Hi Everyone, I am really not a "negative Ned" type person but I am just not seeing the features & benefits of This 2012.5 or even the 2012 version of B/Box........
I am open to the idea that I may just not understand some of the new features ........Im hoping someone can explain or point me to a specific tutorial..... I think B/Box is fantastic overall.......but again unless its me a lot of the new stuff seems like its a bunch of "fluff" and not really useful?
How many swing styles and Bossa-Latin Styles and tracks do we need? Same with Pop, Rock, Blues etc etc......
I could see the value of Super Midi Tracks for the Melodist and Soloist....Is that on the way? Perhaps super midi tracks for Guitar Chord melodies or Solos or Melodies that also show notation..........Now thats exciting! But how many styles do we need?!
Why are the 176 new "simple real tracks something of value? Does that means the others are too complicated?
I forgot the name of this item......but why is being able to Edit a track and change it from say clean guitar to distortion? Why not use the correct one in the first place?
Thanks in advance for any explanation/ help it will be greatly appreciated! BBB
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Hi BBB,
What version of BIAB do you have?
Regards,
Noel
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How many swing styles and Bossa-Latin Styles and tracks do we need? Same with Pop, Rock, Blues etc etc.
An infinite number. We will always need just one more.
Keith
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I do get your point this was not a massive upgrade in my opinion, and PG like anoy other company need to keep outputting updates to get cash in - your cash. However, I do feel that the Rt's alone are worth the upgrade price - compare that to buying some playalong CD's one for each key. Just my view.
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I do get your point this was not a massive upgrade in my opinion, and PG like anoy other company need to keep outputting updates to get cash in - your cash. However, I do feel that the Rt's alone are worth the upgrade price - compare that to buying some playalong CD's one for each key. Just my view.
Zerozero, I agree with your comments with one exception. I think the upgrade price is worth it because of the SuperTracks. I am waiting for the RTs to arrive via snail mail but I Dled the BiaB with the STs immediately.
I find the fact that this one piece of software can be used in so many different ways amazing!
You know you're getting old when a recliner and a heating pad is your idea of a hot date!
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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For me the new Jon Jarvis piano styles and the way the Supermidis brought life to the midis made the upgrade worthwhile (for me)
But then everytime after studying the new features and real track list i realise that i need my upgrade just as much as my wife need those new shoes!
I'm doing allright for Country Trash ....
I used to care, but things have changed (Bob Dylan)
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But then everytime after studying the new features and real track list i realise that i need my upgrade just as much as my wife need those new shoes!
Now there's a man who gets it!
later,
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Since it's the genre I compose music for, I would have purchased 2012.5 if the only changes were the new Son Montuno and Bolero RealTracks.
SuperTracks are in their infancy and will surely develop more like the RealTracks did. And every version contains those little improvements in core function and/or stability that move the program's evolution forward.
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I have 2012 version 350.
this will be the first time I dont upgrade at least as of now.
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Is it the Ultrapak? Or, the basic Pro version? Do you have all the RT's and are you familiar with them? Your question is a good one, it all depends on what you're trying to do with the program.
The key question is what kind of stuff do you do? What do you use the program for?
Bob
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I have all the real tracks......Its Ultra,or Mega or Everything.?..im not sure how you tell but its "fully loaded"
I use it as backing tracks to make recordings with, Teaching purposes, scale generator etc etc. self instruction...being a guitarist the Oliver R Tracks comp & solo and Midi Create a chord Melody items are nice.......
im sure there are other features that I would love if I knew what and how they work.
I think there are probably MANY people such as myself that dont want to publicly embarrass themselves that arent aware of the capabilities of the program.......and how to use it.......
a Band In a Box For Dummies Book or Tutorial would be great!
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Good one Danny well said and LOL !
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This is funny.
Last several gorounds, the complaint was about there being TOO MANY New Features with every release...
--Mac
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You can't please all the... you can please some of the........people pleaser's are sort of ...... please pass the ....... i past pleasing! .... oh PuhLease!
Never mind, just play another tune please!
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Mac, Quote:
This is funny.
Last several go rounds, the complaint was about there being TOO MANY New Features with every release...
I’ve gotta admit, … I do understand where BBB is coming from. Up until version 2009, I’ve bought every new release. But every time I did, I sat there wondering, … “What the hell did I just pay a sh*tload of money for?”
It looks the same, … it acts the same, …… Maybe it should’ve been a free patch?
I get paying for new RT’s and RS’s, but I do have trouble paying for things that BIAB didn’t handle correctly and it’s now fixed.
If I take the position of the "Devil's Advocate", ... I also understand where PG is coming from. If people are willing to PAY for “fixes”, …why not charge them for them in the form of a “NEW VERSION” ??? Especially if you can do it TWICE a year and have faithful followers pay hundreds of dollars EACH to make sure they have the latest and greatest? Even if they can’t tell the difference between the old and the new! Also, you should make sure to financially punish the ones who don't upgrade TWICE a year!
I wish they’d just release new “versions” ONLY when they’ve made MAJOR changes and charge for RT’s, RS’s and Super Midi whatever on a separate basis.
Fixes to the program should be in the form of free patches. Not UPGRADES!
Unless of course you can get people to PAY for them.
But of course, ... this is just my honest opinion, ... or JMHO.
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Fixes to the program should be in the form of free patches. Not UPGRADES!
But this would mean maintaining and supporting the code base of a number of previous versions back. The implication would be that if I fix a feature in the current version that was also present in a previous version, then the fix should be provided for each version. Wouldn't that be difficult for a small company to do? Just asking.
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New Features and added RealTracks aren't "fixes"...
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This is funny.
Last several go rounds, the complaint was about there being TOO MANY New Features with every release...
I’ve gotta admit, … I do understand where BBB is coming from. Up until version 2009, I’ve bought every new release. But every time I did, I sat there wondering, … “What the hell did I just pay a sh*tload of money for?”
It looks the same, … it acts the same, …… Maybe it should’ve been a free patch?
I get paying for new RT’s and RS’s, but I do have trouble paying for things that BIAB didn’t handle correctly and it’s now fixed.
If I take the position of the "Devil's Advocate", ... I also understand where PG is coming from. If people are willing to PAY for “fixes”, …why not charge them for them in the form of a “NEW VERSION” ??? Especially if you can do it TWICE a year and have faithful followers pay hundreds of dollars EACH to make sure they have the latest and greatest? Even if they can’t tell the difference between the old and the new! Also, you should make sure to financially punish the ones who don't upgrade TWICE a year!
I wish they’d just release new “versions” ONLY when they’ve made MAJOR changes and charge for RT’s, RS’s and Super Midi whatever on a separate basis.
Fixes to the program should be in the form of free patches. Not UPGRADES!
Unless of course you can get people to PAY for them.
But of course, ... this is just my honest opinion, ... or JMHO.
There are free patches provided, for example:
http://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm
There's also free updates for RealTracks and RealDrums etc. So if RealTracks that you've already bought in the past are improved then you can download a free update for them.
As I recall each major release has loads of new features - and if you want you certainly can buy the new RealTracks separately. It's just that it's usually no more expensive (if not cheaper) to buy RealTracks bundled with the new versions when they are first released.
I certainly don't feel like I'm buying a new version to get "fixes" for the previous version. I buy it because I want the new features and it's nice to get a bundle with new RealTracks etc.
I don't see that there is any special "punishment" for people that don't upgrade twice a year. The upgrades from much earlier versions are usually only about $20-30 more than from the more recent versions - it would cost far more than that to upgrade twice a year.
Also there is this:
"Registered users of our programs are entitled to unlimited technical support for our software. You are already registered if you purchased directly from us."
If you are using an older version and you want something fixed, read the previous paragraph.
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I call bs on this one. Fixes are always free patches to the current version. There are patches issued for previous version all the time, just go back and look at the previous versions and the patches.
As far as a shitload of money, that too is BS. Compared to what? The national debt of Canada?
As has been pointed out countless times, if you don't want to buy the upgrade, don't.
I have no idea of the installed base. It has to be WAY larger than we think, or they could not stay in business. Do the math.
I'd now like you to publish for MY edification the list of stuff you are sure does not work. Put the problems where your post is, or as is said in the vernacular, you money where your.....you get it.
The support is there. Have the support staff told you there is NO help for you?
When it comes to features, something the software did not do is that supposed to be free?
So if you want banjo parts for left handed amputees and they go ahead and implement that is it a fix or a new feature.
As far as I'm concerned your post really pushed my buttons.
It seems you are perpetually dissatisfied with the software, yet you hang in here. Why?
I'm going out to the garage now and smack the heavy bag as hard as I can, osteoporosis be dammed.
John Conley
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I'm sorry,it appears that the upgrade from previous versions, including both download and DVD sent to your house is 79 bucks.
That is HUGE. Of course the servers and the mail, the DVD production cost and all that aside, most guys would have to sell the farm to afford that right?
Wow.
Maybe we could take up a collection for Bob. I'll gladly pay PG music half the cost.
John Conley
Musica est vita
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