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This looks like it might be pretty nice with BIAB. I'm afraid it might be a little pricey. Integra
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It does look interesting. I had not seen this before. Thanks, John.
I have the Roland Fantom XR, with five of the 12 possible expansion modules. This comes with all 12. Nice.
At first, I thought that would mean it is just using existing sounds, but it said this:
The INTEGRA-7 has over 6,000 internal sounds plus a new stockpile of enhanced SuperNATURAL sounds.
And it has the 3-D stuff that is new for Roland, I think.
Keep in mind, if you buy this, you'll have to prepare a new .PAT file for it if you want to take advantage of its advanced sounds within BIAB. I've written several .PAT files on the PG Music website and can tell you that, once you get the hang of it, writing one is not difficult but it is tedious work. For this unit, you could probably start with one already written for the Fantom X, but then add all 12 expansion modules and then add whatever new sounds. A challenge, but someone will do it.
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Looks very interesting. Here are some demo songs: http://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/sets/201208-dome-songsThe only pricing I've seen on it seems pretty salty at $2399 list or @1999 at Sweetwater: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Integra7/ Still with all the SRX mods, it could be a good addition.
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And it all started with the old SC-50, SC-55...
May seem pricey for the home enthusiast, but for the pro out there makin' money, the investment may well prove to be well worth it.
Time will tell.
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Two thousand sounds about right when you take the Fantom XR and add all twelve SRX modules, which would cost even more.
I listened to the SoundCloud demo link (thanks), and I immediately recognized most of the sounds. There are good jazz tenor and bari solos on Track 3, Daybreak, that I don't have, but most of the rest of it is possible with the sounds I have now. The demos do sound great; somebody worked hard.
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This new expander is an incredible addtion for any keyboard player making demos and composing music for commercial purposes. Why didn't I learn to play the piano instead of the guitar in the conservatory when I was a child? 
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I miss my old SC-55 card.... 
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And it all started with the old SC-50, SC-55...
May seem pricey for the home enthusiast, but for the pro out there makin' money, the investment may well prove to be well worth it.
Time will tell.
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If you (or anyone else) get one report back later and let us know what you think.
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I listened to each demo and overall it sounds pretty good but, I have to say I think my Kurzweil PC3 sounds better especially the orchestral string stuff and the techno arp pieces. I thought those strings sounded weak and you should hear the techno synth sounds that my PC3 can put out. I got my PC3 on a closeout for $1,300 because the new K version was just coming out. Now, the current PC3K is around 2-3 grand depending on which size you want. Anyone looking to spend that much needs to check out the many Youtube vids about the PC3. It's incredible imho. Along with the Kronos too. I know those are keyboards and not modules but still, not impressed with this new Roland for that kind of cash. If it was $1,200-1,500 maybe.
Did anybody else notice that there were no classic songs type styles in those demos? No R&B, rock, funk, country, real jazz? Some of it was good stuff but it shows you where they think the music biz is now.
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This does look interesting but…. I got the heads-up email from Roland a few days ago (actually all their new stuff http://www.rolandconnect.com/ ) a FEW (no brass or woodwinds) addtional individual patches/sounds here http://www.roland.com/synth/integra/and a little more to the point about actual specs http://www.roland.com/products/en/INTEGRA-7/ go to specs tab My INITIAL impression, given I currently own a XV-5080 (fully populated), Fantom XR (fully populated), and a SC-8850 (not to mention an Motif XS (great acoustic instruments) ) and Fusion- great VA and all round synth) – this module looks like a hybrid of a XV/Fantom and a Sound Canvas (a la SC-8850). It appears you give up some stuff to get some newer stuff. More output options than a Fantom or XV – but NO internal expansion (unless Roland later adds new, in all likelihood proprietary, USB expansion lib’s for sale - downstream). No user memory for patches (aka parts)/ performances (maybe that’s because storage is done via USB flash??) and sound wise this is definitely stock Roland sounds. You can take that as good or bad depending on your preferences ( I LIKE most Roland sounds). They talk a lot about the acoustic sounds (SuperNATURAL Acoustic) but very little samples/demos of same on web sites yet. That said, on the surface, this module looks like a nice package and for some folks this might be “it," albeit a not inexpensive “it.” Some things I ferreted out by watching video, reading ALL the Roland PR, Roland Specs, (from their web site) and starring hard at the available pics: The Integra-7 (EDITED 3 Sep changed “does NOT have 12 SRX… “ to…. “looks like today it DOES HAVE all 12 SRX complete.” Still doesn’t change fact you can only access four at a time because there are only four virtual slots to put them in and if you load all four you then give add loading one of the new natural SuperNATURAL banks EDITED 3 Sep - re-reading Roland literature TODAY for another forum an ad phrase appears to have changed from • Producer’s “must-have” sounds from the…..” SRX Expansion sound…” To • Producer’s “must-have” SRX Expansion sound library…. Of course I could have cut and pasted it wrong yesterday??? Or I was on (off?) my meds yesterday – in any case looks like I put up wrong info yesterday. Also you must load whichever built-in SRX board set into one of FOUR available virtual slots. Also the SuperNATURAL sets (and there are six) share those same existing virtual slots, if you want to us them as well. So while you have access to 18 libraries (12 SRX and 6 “natural”) only 4 at a time can be loaded in the virtual slots - plus whatever (???) the native patches consist of (which looks a lot like the XV preset list). Nothing to sneeze at, but in terms total number of on-demand AVAILABLE actually less than XV-5080 (when fully SRX and SR-JV populated) which is less than Fantom XR (fully populated) . And then there are some details which I don’t see example: the amount of “user” patches/performances memory? Based on “description” looks like those patches/parts that can be edited (maybe on a “by performance mix” only basis ?) can be stored on external USB memory ??? Maybe not at all (but I would like to believe you CAN SAVE what you edit somewhere/somehow)?. Nothing wrong with storing on external USB media, and I actually see that as PLUS if that is the case. It’s just ill-defined/vague/buried in the descriptions. My Alesis Fusion 8HD is like that, in that the number of “user” patches/performances are virtually unlimited (limited only by mass storage - in my case a 128GB HDD) All the above, PLUS watching video and trying to read front panel buttons (from pics) this unit reminds me an awful lot of my SC-8850 in operations. PLUS UP from XV/Fantom: each of the 16 Integra-7 parts can be assigned to its own individual MFX block. The XV and Fantom only had a total of 3 MFX blocks – each part could be routed to any ONE of these but still only had 3 MFX – the Integra-7 has 16 MFX blocks. You do get both a part Editor for iPad or as a VST plug in. Finally, If they are pushing the “natural” or acoustic sounds I am surprised at the limited number (actually almost a lack) of the number of sample songs or individual patch/parts available on Roland site so far.
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Every sound module has it's good and bad sounds. None of them are perfect. Fortunately there is no significant difference in latency in hardware sound modules (5 or 6 ms is typical) so you can mix and match to your hearts content.
Best sax for this song on the Yamaha? Use it. Best strat guitar on the Studio Canvas? Choose it for the guitar while keeping the sax on the Yamaha. Best piano on the Kurzweil? You know what to do. And so on.........
I still occasionally use voices from my old Roland MT-32 and my old Yamaha TX81z. Why? Because they may be the best for a particular instrument on a particular song.
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And yet another +1 from someone who has and still uses on occasion a Yamaha TX81Z, Kawai Gmega, Roland M-SE1 and a Roland JV880. I have never lost a hardware synth do to OS upgrades from an Atari ST to Windows 7. I’d rather not talk about my software losses!
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I still have a Yamaha FB-01!!! And a Roland MT-32. They are sitting in a closet, but just knowing they are there....
I have 120 sounds in my ESQ-1, 2 carts with 160 more each, an SQ1 with 200 onboard and 200 in a card, and an EPS16+ sampler, a TS10 with 120, and a VFX with 120, so I think I am covered.
But still knowing those old analogs are there just in case....
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+1 for holding on to hardware synths
with the caveat that, at least in the case of Roland, each step up for me has included all the sounds of the prior one. I used to have an Edirol SD-80, which has the same sound set as what I recall Notes was using, the SD-90. I didn't lose anything moving to the Roland Fantom XR. It seems as if that would again be the case with the Roland Integra7, depending on the points Larry was making.
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My Yamaha organ / 3 manual Electone thing with a jack for a leslie on the back is in the drive to go to the dump. No one wanted it. It sounds good, I never used the beat/drum part, nor the upper little manual, but it served a purpose. I did run an extension cord to it and ran through mac the Knife one more time for old times sakes.
As I told the organist at a fairly large church, I could fool lots of people with a little Korg. With the right speakers and eq they would think a pipe organ was installed, and that some violins were playing.
My 2cents worth. I still have a JV1010 gathering dust, and the Ketron almost never gets used, the Realtracks are the cat's meow. Forget the night screech though, I think that came from the old FM thing!
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I have a half dozen sound modules and a couple of hardware samplers. I too started on the Atari ST computer. And all the sound modules that worked on the Atari, worked on DOS, worked on all versions of Windows, and worked on all Macs from the Motorola Macs to the Power PC Macs to the Intel Macs.
And no upgrades were necessary.
What software from the 1980s works today? Will your software synths work tomorrow?
Sure the older modules have some dated sounds on them but (1) sometimes when doing dated material those sounds are right and (2) they also have sounds that are still very good today and are not covered by newer modules. Example 1: I have never found anything that replaces "Doctor Solo" on the MT32 - Example 2: The FM vibes, Rhodes and other melodic percussion instruments on the TX81z sound great (this is where FM shines).
Plus MIDI is so editable. You can do dozens of things in MIDI that cannot be done with audio.
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Well I was around back then. I still see Midi fading away.
The next version will perhaps have backwards compatibility for some things, but the need to use embedded codes to run other devices will find us with an audio stream using some sort of transport protocol.
It's too cumbersome right now for big productions to properly manipulate things.
Something simple like a page turn on a 'reader' for all the people in the 'orchestra'.
Not a lot of new midi devices coming out, there seems to be a dearth of them.
I might not see it, but I'm sure the younger members will laugh at that midi gear. At least what new modules we have are smaller. I contemplated gluing the Ketron SD2 to the bottom of my Korg. So far a big clamp holds it on one end of a shop power bar that has a dozen plugs.
Evolution happens, even in music. The William Tell overture still sounds good, but my wife thinks of bugs bunny. I 'evolved' and forgot that. The idyllic part before the chaos is still cool to my ears.
Thunderstorms are starting, going to last 20 hours. I can hear it in the distance, to the south. Hope to get some sleep despite that...
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OK, now you got me questioning my path forward. I have two Oberheim Matrix 1000's. Used to run them coupled together to get one 12 note poly unit or to get stereo layers. Since I'm driving romplers more these days with the DX7II, was thinking of selling one of the Oberheims and using the funds to buy newer hardware and software. Maybe that's not such a good idea huh? Keep the analog and ditch the digital...maybe the TX802 should go. Its so hard to say goodbye to old friends.
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