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To release a CD yourself or not. #173933 09/21/12 07:05 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 490 Montana, USA trapper456 OP Journeyman
OP trapper456 Journeyman Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 490 Montana, USA	Hi I just found some information that some people may be intereasted in. This link is to an article on about.com. If you decide to release your own album this should be of help to you. It is called Do I Need A Record Deal? Music is an expression that is a universal language, Never criticize anybody to harshly. They need time to grow but when they do, they do. Always be kind in what you say and do because the man upstairs is watching.

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. trapper456 #173934 09/21/12 08:37 AM Off-Topic
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Re: To release a CD yourself or not. seeker #173935 09/21/12 08:44 AM Off-Topic
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Pretty much, if you do it yourself your sales will approach, but not exceed, the number of friends you have. No matter how good it is, without a PR machine nobody outside your little burgh, wherever that burgh is, will ever even know you are alive.

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. #173936 09/21/12 08:46 AM Off-Topic
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rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,480 Mi., USA	We sold them at every show we did. Sold way more CD's than I have friends.. Last edited by rharv; 09/21/12 03:10 PM. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. rharv #173937 09/21/12 09:04 AM Off-Topic
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Danny C. Veteran Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,722 USA	IMHO, unless you have a distribution system that can move many hundred thousand CD's you are spitting into a very strong wind. Later, Danny C. www.dannycampo.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Danny-Campo/379776252109306?skip_nax_wizard=true The More You Drink The Better I Sound

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. Danny C. #173938 09/21/12 09:36 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA R rockstar_not Veteran
rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Bob (the OP), the article tells you the same thing we shared with you back 9 months to a year ago when you first started posting here, as it pertains to DIY approach or getting a record deal. Getting a record deal is nearly impossible. DIY is the way to go to make a little bit of money, follow rharv's example. Money is made these days at shows, with merchandise sales. That's almost all that there is. Get a great local following going - your 1000 true fans (read this website without any rose-colored lenses on http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/03/1000_true_fans.php ) and see if you think you can generate that kind of following. Try it. See if you can build it up to that point. If not, don't bother attempting a 'record deal'. No record company in their right mind will give you a deal if you can't show that you already have a fan base. Plain and simple. To think that a record company will sign you before showing this rather small-scale amount of fan support is delusional at best. The article takes some time to read and digest. You should read it before you approach any label or decide to create your own label. Prove that you have generated fans on your own, then go after a deal. This will be hard work. It may involve profound disappointment. It may involve a serious shift in perspective and priorities as to why you record and create music. The good news is that you can use what talent you might have and social media to help you get started. These are the lamp-post flyers of today. -Scott My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. rharv #173939 09/21/12 09:59 AM Off-Topic
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: We sold them at every show we did. Sold way more CD's than I gave friends.. I bought the CD of the band I PLAY IN!!!! CDs are for sale, not gifts. But realistically, if you move 25 per show, how long will that take you to hit 1,000,000 units with no airplay, publicity? I know 1,000,000 sounds ambitious but geeze, why do we make CDs? Just because we can? This is the music BUSINESS. You need to move units, get mechanicals from radio stations playing your songs, tour, sell your band t-shirts.... Edit to add: I have never done this. My stuff is not of the quality that gets me on tour, on the radio, on New Year's Rockin' Eve.... I even had to pay to go to Di'neyland! Point is, if you have the talent to go along with the dream, you ain't gonna be the next big thang without the machine behind you. Last edited by eddie1261; 09/21/12 10:26 AM.

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. #173940 09/21/12 10:12 AM Off-Topic
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seeker Veteran Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,047 80 Mi North of Sacramento CA	Eddie, I sold on Ebay..... this is my business model.. Cost me bout $1.50 to sell/ship it, not including the CD cost.... So glad, have fixed income..... to feed us, and buy few extras, like BIAB. But always loved projects. Putting together the music, the artwork, the mixing and beginners "grasshopper mastering", then purchasing, the production etc. was a great joy for me. And a lot of it was due to you folks, your postings, specific guidance for me, listening to your music. And of course all of the PG Music folks. FrankB Down The Street vs2015 12-03-2014 Win7, AMD QuadA8-5500,16GB,2TeraHD, Komplete 10 PG Ultra Plus 2016,Alesis 12USB, Sonar Platinum

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. seeker #173941 09/21/12 12:35 PM Off-Topic
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Mac Veteran M Joined: May 2000 Posts: 38,502 Chesapeake, Virginia USA	Over the years I have sold a LOT of CDs at the venues where the various acts I've been involved play. The venue is where the people will buy your CD. It may not be a million sales, but it darn sure helps pay the bills. And lots of folks really do appreciate them. Typically we sell 'em for 10 dollars ea at a table somewhere. The wives and girlfriends can be tapped to run the tables and are appreciative as we share the take. One band, we ended up having six separate "releases" on sale at the same time. There were folks who bought all six at one pop after listening, dancing and, of course, perhaps a bit of imbibing of adult beverages. I don't understand taking the tack of, "If I can't sell a million then I won't try to sell any at all." --Mac PGmusic FAQs, Tutorials and Updates! click here You must be Audiominds. www.audiominds.com

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. Mac #173942 09/21/12 12:58 PM Off-Topic
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	@Bob (the OP of this thread) Do you see a common thread here? There is a huge difference between getting a record deal and releasing a CD. 20 years ago, that was not the case - the second required the first. These days, it's rather simple to release your own CD through CDBaby and other sites. (though CD Baby has the system down to a science). No record deal involved. But the place you will move the most CDs, is at your own shows, as rharv and Mac have pointed out and the 1000 true fans article points out in many more words. At CD Baby, you can even 'release' CDs with minimum quantity of 5. Yes, you read that right, 5 CDs is all you need to supply them to get onto their distribution. They can even be CDs that you burn at home on your computer. Your 'fans' might not like to receive it that way, but there's really not a whole lot to it. Read here: http://members.cdbaby.com/cd-distribution.aspx Getting a record deal is a whole different ballgame. I suggest using sales on CD Baby to see if you can build up a fan base (though performance or viral videos on YouTube are the way to build up fans so it seems) and then approach record companies. However, they are trolling YouTube as you read this for the latest unsigned musical acts that are skyrocketing. It's almost better to go niche style-wise, and approach small labels that cater to a very specific narrow slice of the musical scene. Want to see what your competition is clawing for Record Deal attention? Go to Noisetrade.com and you will see at least 20-50 new CD projects from 'Contemporary Christian' artists released FOR FREE, every single day. Some are samplers, but a whole bunch of them are even quite famous people trying to reinvigorate their existing or develop a new fan base. I just got a Charlie Peacock album for free on there. In the 1980s and 1990s, Charlie was one of the top CCM artists and producers. He either intentionally, or by proxy dropped out of the scene. Now he's back - giving his stuff away for free, to gain a new fan base. That album is still free there by the way. Or check out the 'spiritual' section of CDBaby: http://www.cdbaby.com/style/gospel Take a look at all of the unknown and known artists there. Boatloads. Most of them don't have a current 'record deal'. Most of them can't get the deal. Some of them choose to avoid it. But if they sell a CD on CDbaby, they get the selling price minus 4$ - the portion that CDBaby keeps. My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. #173943 09/21/12 03:14 PM Off-Topic
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,480 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,480 Mi., USA	Quote: Quote: We sold them at every show we did. Sold way more CD's than I gave friends.. I bought the CD of the band I PLAY IN!!!! CDs are for sale, not gifts. But realistically, if you move 25 per show, how long will that take you to hit 1,000,000 units with no airplay, publicity? I know 1,000,000 sounds ambitious but geeze, why do we make CDs? Just because we can? This is the music BUSINESS. You need to move units, get mechanicals from radio stations playing your songs, tour, sell your band t-shirts.... Edit to add: I have never done this. My stuff is not of the quality that gets me on tour, on the radio, on New Year's Rockin' Eve.... I even had to pay to go to Di'neyland! Point is, if you have the talent to go along with the dream, you ain't gonna be the next big thang without the machine behind you. See my edit to my post above. I meant to say 'sold more CD's than I have friends' (not 'gave friends'; missed it by one key) I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. rharv #173944 09/21/12 06:13 PM Off-Topic
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: I meant to say 'sold more CD's than I have friends' (not 'gave friends'; missed it by one key) I would hit that threshold at about the 4th CD sale....

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. #173945 09/21/12 07:38 PM Off-Topic
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jcspro40 Expert Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 886 Ohio-USA	Seeker, that might have been me. I mention Kunaki whenever the opportunity comes up. Why? Because it is a low cost way to get a better looking product than you can make at home, with shrink wrap AND a bar code. You can try them out by grabbing 5 CD's OR DVD's for $1 a piece, plus S&H....how can ya lose? Plus they will drop ship pieces to CD Baby, or most anywhere else for you, another nice perk for a great price! The biggest change since they moved is now the cost is directly related to the demand. It could be as low as .75 cents up to a max of $1.75 per piece, CD or DVD, depending on when you order it. 25 bands - folks I have worked with in my studio has ordered from them, and all have been repeat offenders. All have sold a few 100 CD's at $10 - $15 a pop...they are out there doing it, not siting at home boo-hooing about how hard it is, and they make enough to kept them going. "I don't understand taking the tack of, "If I can't sell a million then I won't try to sell any at all." I fully agree. Even tho it has taken 10 years to sell a little over 500 copies of my original music thru Soundclick, MP3.com, CD Baby, etc it is out there in the hands of people that find it worth paying for. Rich & Famous? Yes....yes I am.... i5 3.20GHz, 32gb RAM, 1tb SSD OS, 12tb HDD, 4gb gForce vid card, 32" monitor, Audient id44, Win10 x64, BiaB/RB 2023, Reaper 6,IK Multimedia Total Studio 3.5 MAX, Waves 10

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. rockstar_not #173946 09/21/12 07:59 PM Off-Topic
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	Kunaki bookmarked here - thanks. My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. rockstar_not #173947 09/21/12 10:08 PM Off-Topic
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 61 Sydney, Australia pinglis Enthusiast
pinglis Enthusiast Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 61 Sydney, Australia	Making your own CDs certainly doesn't mean that you can't get a record deal in the future and in any case it is a way to promote yourself. You won't sell millions - but these days even the biggest acts rarely sell millions (or even one million). Having a physical release does help somewhat in promotional terms - I have had radio airplay because I have an actual CD - I also have placed my CD into a few shops (and they play it from time to time). You never know who might buy that CD - sell (or give) your CD to the right person and it might lead to bigger things. Without a CD I wouldn't have any of that... It's not an either/or thing. Putting out your own CDs won't stop you signing a record contract in the future. www.paulinglis.org

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. trapper456 #173948 09/22/12 01:48 AM Off-Topic
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ROG Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 3,353 York, England	Quote: Getting a record deal is nearly impossible. Scott is absolutely right. The only sort of record deal worth signing is one where the record company is offering you a non-returnable advance against royalties. Because the record companies don't like losing money, they only offer these contracts to people who they know are certain to be a big success. Statistically, you're more likely to get struck by lightning than to get one of these deals. (A surprisingly large number of golfers get struck by lightning every year.) ROG. Free online guitar lessons. Cours de guitare gratuit en ligne.

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. #173949 09/22/12 03:20 AM Off-Topic
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,480 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,480 Mi., USA	Quote: Quote: I meant to say 'sold more CD's than I have friends' (not 'gave friends'; missed it by one key) I would hit that threshold at about the 4th CD sale.... Me too .. if you count the band emmbers as friends. My response was to your post earlier - "Pretty much, if you do it yourself your sales will approach, but not exceed, the number of friends you have". This was very untrue, and it would discourage others from trying. You also don't have to have a record deal to get your name and CD to some popular places, it just takes effort. I'm sometimes surprised to see our CDs in some of the places they are. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. ROG #173950 09/22/12 03:35 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,251 WV, USA bobcflatpicker Veteran
bobcflatpicker Veteran Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,251 WV, USA	Roger, Quote: Statistically, you're more likely to get struck by lightning than to get one of these deals. (A surprisingly large number of golfers get struck by lightning every year.) Funny how holding a 4ft metal shaft with a large metal face above your head in an open area during a thunderstorm makes that happen! Bob, (OP), I think you're getting fixated on the "record deal" aspect. Just put your music out there, offer it for sale where you're performing and see if you have any takers. If you don't, then play your music just for your own enjoyment, and if anyone else wants to listen, ... let them. Bob ................................ http://soundcloud.com/bobcflatpicke/music-in-the-mountains

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. bobcflatpicker #173951 09/22/12 04:47 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 479 Shores of Lake Erie Westside Steve Journeyman
Westside Steve Journeyman Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 479 Shores of Lake Erie	You need to promote an original CD like you would any product. Most times in my case it's more a souvenir of the show. Most people are pleasantly surprised that my CDs are NOT like the live show. But I always made some profit. Then again I play out for early often and especially in the islands tourists like to buy things. As far as this website for manufactured CDs assume those are CDRs right? That's a good price for 100 but not a very good price for 1000 sense the real places will manufacture 1000 for you at a lower price. Amazon won't sell those hard copies, you know. But you can get it every digital download site. I've seen some artists at festivals who burn CDs at home and print inserts and paper labels. Probably have 5 bucks in it and sell them for 15. And honestly these days who cares? The music goes on the iPod and the disk goes in storage. Also, Eddie, you must have bought from the band site. WSS Last edited by Westside Steve; 09/22/12 04:52 AM. [b]Westside Steve www.westsidesteve.com www.YouTube.com/WestsideSteveSimmons

Re: To release a CD yourself or not. Westside Steve #173952 09/22/12 05:01 AM Off-Topic
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,480 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 22,480 Mi., USA	Quote: Amazon won't sell those hard copies, you know. I beg to differ. I see one of our CDs for sale there and I have no idea who it is that has it listed. Dunno if it sold if we'd even know or get anything from it. Sold many (hundreds) more at shows than online. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome Make your sound your own!

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