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At some time in the life of the forums, has there ever been a "For Sale/Want To Buy" forum for buyers and sellers to make a connection and then move the haggling to private mail? I wonder if it would get enough traffic to even be worth adding it? Gearheads like so many of us are seem to ALWAYS be looking for mo' betta.....
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As you folks read this, show of hands if you would like to see the powers that be consider adding a "trading post" kind of forum.
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I've seen private deals start here but quickly move to private emails. Someone would find a way of implicating PG if their purchase arrived untuned. Know what I mean, Vern?
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I think with proper disclaimer and a steadfastly enforced rule that said something like "This is just for POSTING your items. Negotiate elsewhere, and we are not responsible if you make a bad deal." it would be okay.
I have been involved with 3 such deals here. And they don't have an issue with Notes selling his styles here..... BIAB related or not, they are not PG products and thus just private sales.
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Eddie,
This idea may have merit. I suggest you post it within a poll format.
Jusdt a thought.
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Sounds like we would be asking PG Music to take on the function and liabilities of eBay without the compensation. Consider my hand down.
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Keith, I look at it more like a matchmaker service. What happens after the people meet is in no way the doings of the service. This is also different because it is more "family" here than an eBay scenario. It is eBay's business to post items for sale at a percentage.
I am going to repost as a poll.
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I see nothing wrong with posting Craigslist ads in the off topic forum for music gear. I've got an M audio oxygen 49 and a presonus firebox for sale right now.
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And I have seen them on almost every other forum I frequent. That's why I wondered.
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Lots of independent forums have classified ads section. Commercial forums (PGM, Sonar, Microsoft, Apple, ...) do not.
I vote no.
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We put a sales sub forum in TascamForums some years back and it just encouraged spam because folks would put an advertisement in the appropriate section and then post it again and again in other sections to make sure everyone saw it. And it ends up being more than just the forum family posting, because folks you never saw on the forum get word that there is free ad posting and they start coming in and posting too. Its not a problem at all unless you happen to be the moderator and then your workload just goes up trying to police it. There is no such thng as a free lunch and the average casual forum user doesn't see the hard work that goes into keeping a busy forum spam and p0rn free.
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Maybe Matt's Asian Escorts will return.  Later,
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Interesting (and sad) to see the negatives pop up first. What a sad world that people assume the worst first and not acknowledge any chance of a forum like that being a positive thing. I see this as a chance for someone just starting his musical life and is on a tight budget to find deals from people here, where he can have a pretty good sense of security rather than a stranger on eBay or craigslist. I see maybe a young parent who needs to sell something to give his kids a better Christmas or a decent birthday and would like to have his friends on the PG forum have first dibs rather than spam from opportunists.
I would so rather have the opportunity to ask veteran forum users "Hey, this Eddie guy has been around a while and I am thinking about buying his spare synth. Has he ever displayed any kind of behavior that indicates I shouldn't trust him to send my payment to him?"
To me that helping hand mentality far outweighs the occasional spammer. Geeze we get them now one or two a week.... I get spammed on SOUNDCLOUD in posts about my tracks!! Any place that there is interaction there is a potential for the nonsense. (And to the last one, no, I don't want to sell Avon....)
I have been able to buy 2 items here and sell two items. In all 4 cases one party had to reach out to the other rather than viewing a public post. Never once did I have reason to be anxious about the deal going bad. That comfort zone was the result of being in a place where reputation precedes, as well as the open window to spread the word to peers had I been ripped off.
As willing as people are to share knowledge here, it seems like a logical step to offer unused gear to each other before venturing into the land of craigslist. Remember, if they put it in, you don't have to participate.
I must have missed Matt's Asian Escorts.....!!!
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Consider if you will that pgmusic is a business and setting up and running a sales forum would require resource time as someone would have Moderation duties, which, with such setups soon get to be a $$ loss situation. Then comes Captcha and you've already weighed in about that...
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Just don't let'em wok your dog!
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Interesting (and sad) to see the negatives pop up first.
To me that helping hand mentality far outweighs the occasional spammer. Geeze we get them now one or two a week.... I must have missed Matt's Asian Escorts.....!!!
You apparently assume for some reason that because you didn't see the spam, or Matt's Asian escorts, or the p0rn ad, that a diligent moderator didn't see it first and remove. Believe me, I spent years as an unpaid mod, having to get up early in the morning before the forum regulars got on because if I waited the forum members started messaging me complaints about all of the abusive posts that the spam bots had posted all over the forum over night. Its easy to say that for you that the spam is outweighed when you are not the one tasked with removing it and keeping the forum a pleasant experience for everyone. In the forum that I moderated, the spam attacks got so bad that we eventually had to start charging to allow people to post.
It is sad that the spammers have software that allows them to sign up as users, to fake IP addresses, and to montior responses to their posts, and to do it over thousands of forums in seconds, while a mod has to go in and individually delete posts and try to figure out a way to block the spammer.
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I'm 100% with Keith on this, for all the reasons he states.
But I also don't want the significance of Rockstar_Not's brief post to go unnoticed. Even without a dedicated forum that requires resources and invites spam, he slipped in a notice that he has some things for sale. Anybody who is interested in those items will not doubt send him an IM.
This board is moderated, but not with a heavy hand. Whatever is done peaceably and with good will toward men (Hah! I slipped in a subliminal music reference!) usually passes through uncontested.
This is somewhat of a common sense test. I'll leave it at that.
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Somehow the KVRaudio.com forum, with thousands upon thousands of visits and members manages to have a classified ad section, without spam. It's here for those that don't believe me. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=43It's also a place where folks share great music equipment/software deals. It has a nearly 'wiki' like self-policing. Somehow they get it done. I honestly don't know the methods by which they prevent spamming of the forum, but it seems like if there is spam there, it's heavily outweighed by legitimate posts. What's odd about it, is that it's probably frequented by an equal number of US and European forum members, so you see lots of stuff for sale in Euro and other currencies. I've sold a soft-synth through there that I won in the monthly song contest. I actually gave it up if someone could prove to me that they donated to the charity of their choice. I got a real mailed receipt from Oxfam, and mail from Oxfam still to this day. Sold it to a Brit expat living in Japan. So, I think there's a way if there's a will - that can probably keep the spam away. I don't know how it rolls, but there is evidence of it working.
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