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Yes but all that Highliter pen really messes up my computer screen!!!!
Good one !
Meant no offense by my "really" comment earlier.
Just trying to make you aware of how small the manual was (5 1/2 x 8 1/2),
that you were putting a $100 buck price tag on.
... and thanks for the computer screen tips, I pretty much stare at one all day too!
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A couple of comments, back in the day I printed the manuals myself, I have a duplex printer which helps, then took them to my local Staples ( Kinkos equiv here in Canada)
and had them bind it. I found I did not like the zirlox binding but could special order the round spiral binding if I didn't mind waiting an extra day.
If you have an 1100 page manual, well I'd break it up if it was me but. That's 550 pages duplex-ed, that's about 5-6 dollars worth of paper, 2.5 cents per page to print $27.00 + 5-6 dollars to bind. That's under $40.00
Last summer I purchased an iPad specifically to run the iGigbook app ( fantastic BTW ) and now I put all my pdf's on it. For some reason much more convenient that printed books, always there, really thin, searchable, bookmark-able, and I can carry around all my documentation all at the same time, as well as fakebooks, gear docs, it really is a great advantage over printing stuff out.
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One rather HUGE "AHA!" about using monitors for reading and studying that I discovered rather early on. Likely due to being one of the earlier day to day computer users way back when there weren't microcomputers and we worked on terminals and mainframes all day.
I'd like to share it with those who will pay heed and want to alleviate the situation.
TIP: Learn to remember to BLINK OUR EYES MORE OFTEN when working with the computer.
Don't know why, but we often will get into a mode where we tend to STARE instead of VIEW when there's a monitor in front of our eyes. That somehow can create a situation where we don't blink as often as we should, and the eyes dry out rather quickly.
Dry eyes are fatigued eyes.
Was still in my Air Force days when I discovered this trick.
Matter of fact, the only paper note hanging at the top of my terminal on that job was on the backl of somebody's calling card and had one word written on it in all caps with a felt pen (AND, YES, This was before the advent of "Post-it Notes":
BLINK
Make it a new habit and see if the task of reading from an electronic screen doesn't change from a task into a joy.
It did for me.
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Where is the full manual? I've just installed 2013 and there are two PDFs in my bb directory:
'2012.5 Manual' and
'2013 Upgrade manual'.
That implies PG haven't made a 2013 manual (yet)?
So what does a complete newcomer get? It's a bit poor if they get the same, i.e. no complete manual.
John
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That's what I have too, John. Perhaps the OP's statement that the printed manual will be available in February also means that the PDF will not be ready until then?
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Well, since we're on the subject of a BiaB manual ... whether printed or electronic.
My much bigger concern than having a printed version of the manual is to have an up-to-date and correct version of the online Help.
The online Help is very old and does not include many of the (not so new anymore) features.
While using BiaB it is much easier (for me) to click on Help than to flip through a multi-hundred page manual.
Of course, YMMV.
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Kindle, outstanding idea for me...
I own an $100 Polaroid 7 inch tablet with Kindle App from Amazon on it.
Reads great, color tints, font size and all. Have 16 GB on Aux card.
Will put it there and enjoy WITH my PG Music software and also other
programs that use PDF help files, like almost all of my CoffeeCup net software.
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Where is the full manual? I've just installed 2013 and there are two PDFs in my bb directory:
'2012.5 Manual' and
'2013 Upgrade manual'.
That implies PG haven't made a 2013 manual (yet)?
So what does a complete newcomer get? It's a bit poor if they get the same, i.e. no complete manual.
John
Right...I think the issue is that the 2013 manual doesn't exist yet. That leaves us with the 12.5 manual and the 13 "New Features Guide" along, of course with the on-line Help resource.
Best,
Jim
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FYI, the 365b patch now contains the full BIAB 2013 manual in PDF form.
It's a bit over 600 pages.
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Just got a cybook odyssey HD ereader with something called reflow for PDFs. This means that you don't get the pdf page showing up in the original version (unless you turn reflow off), but get it reflowed into the smaller screen.
Its never going to replace a good book, but you can take the pdf and put it in your pocket, or read it on the beach or in bed. Its also possible of course, using file conversion apps to have your manual on a kilndle, but I have never had one myself. My reader is pretty small, you can increase the font size, but its not as good as a nice big book smelling of trees. IMO.
Last edited by ZeroZero; 12/14/12 10:02 AM.
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Mac,
Kindle, outstanding idea for me...
I own an $100 Polaroid 7 inch tablet with Kindle App from Amazon on it.
Reads great, color tints, font size and all. Have 16 GB on Aux card.
Will put it there and enjoy WITH my PG Music software and also other
programs that use PDF help files, like almost all of my CoffeeCup net software.
Above average to Outstanding!
I am such a HUGE fan of PG Music and think they do Best of the Breed work in the software industry that I sort of hate to chime in with you on this. But you are correct. "Context sensitivity" to search terms is all but non-existant.
As for the 2013 Manual, I assume that by combining the "New Features" manual for 13 with the full PDF manual for 12.5, you will have essentially what will be the formal 13 manual...at least something VERY close to it.
If that is correct, I would buy an 8.5x11 printed version of the 12.5 manual and be fine with it. But I don't see a link to buying a printed manual on the PG site (probably my fault) and don't know if it is 8.5x11.
I do recall that the PDF manual is 600+ pages...which I suppose could be edited by at least 100 pages to exclude that which we don't need. But that's still a lot of pages and some of us would just as soon buy a manual than mess around with printing our own.
Just my $0.02.
And CHEERS for everything that PG does right which is ALMOST everything!!!
Best,
Jim
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Why print out all the pages you'll probably never use? You could print out just what you need from the PDF manual. Myself, I usually find out what I need from the pop-up hints or help buttons. Just sayin'.
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Well, everyone does it differently. I usually print out the manual, because I will then read it while lying in bed before turning out the light. Much easier to read the paper than a small screen, especially where screen shots are concerned (if it's just text, my Kindle is great, but not so much on diagrams and screen shots). Of course, the added convenience of this is that I can do what I used to do in college. When you get sleepy, just put the book under your pillow and the information transfers by osmosis. 
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Hi Rich,
I have a slightly different philosophy. My view is that I don't know what I don't know.
For that reason, I always make it a priority to read and re-read the manual. I like to find out the many subtleties of the program that the pop-up tips do not cover. I don't know how many times I've read something and a voice inside my head has said, "I didn't know that. That's brilliant. I'm gonna use that in my next song."
Just my tuppence worth.
Noel
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"Knowledge is power. Learning is fun."
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I printed out version 2008.5 of Real Band and Band in a Box. RB was 292 pages and BiaB was 510 pages. It looks like the latest version is 332 for RB and 608 for BiaB. I wonder if there would be a copyright issue if someone sold copies to someone else. (For $100 I would think about it.) I would gladly pay $50 for a 'real' copy.
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I wonder if there would be a copyright issue if someone sold copies to someone else.
Most definitely. PG Music are the copyright owners and there is no permission that I can find anywhere that gives a user the right to reproduce and market their manuals.
In the past, when PG Music have published a manual, it's usually been sold for a nominal amount (certainly much much less than $100; I think I paid $15 or $20 last time I bought one a couple of years ago).
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And then there's the Kindle. Fantastic. ...
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I love my Kindle(s), I wish I had one most of last 35+ years when I was living in airplanes and airports. But FYSA, I just side loaded the 2013 PDF BIAB manual, as well as a converted to MOBI version (around 49 MB's converted), onto one of my Kindle's.
All I can say is: NOT RECOMMENDED  (obviously the BIAB Manual was not optimized for an eReader). If bored or an emergency maybe I'd consider (can't think of an emergency where BIAB would be running and I need some info but I can't use a PDF reader )
I don’t have any Kindle Fire's to try this on but suspect even a larger color screen wouldn't help since layout is all wrong for eReaders.
However, I like a lot of others, ALWAYS prefer hard copy reading over "TV screen" reading for work or pleasure where possible, Kindles (Nooks, etc.) are exceptions.
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I had one printed at the local Office Depot. With the plastic comb binding, it cost about $35.00.
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Well, everyone does it differently. I usually print out the manual, because I will then read it while lying in bed before turning out the light. Much easier to read the paper than a small screen, especially where screen shots are concerned (if it's just text, my Kindle is great, but not so much on diagrams and screen shots).
Of course, the added convenience of this is that I can do what I used to do in college. When you get sleepy, just put the book under your pillow and the information transfers by osmosis.
My problem would be reverse osmosis!!!
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Band-in-a-Box 2026 Video: The Newly Designed Piano Roll Window
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