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Does anyone knows of a website I can put my audio on in a protected way? I know that anyone could always record the songs, so there is not such way as 100% protected, but what I mean is being able to put music there that cannot be downloaded. Like in streaming audio.
I checked some of the websites people use here, but with all of them it is possible to download the files, so that did not help me further. It is not like I try to sell my music yet (so therefore I am not willing (yet) to pay for the websites), it is more to see if people would be interested in listening first. To see what works and what doesn't.
So anyone who knows of such site, please let me know. Thanks!
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"If you publish, they will copy."
Even if you preclude the download, many will use recording softwares like "total recorder" or "Streamosaur" or any of a number of recording programs to record the playback of your song and thus create a copy.
Copyright your work and go forth boldly, we have no other choice.
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Exactly......you can prevent downloading, there are options at the site in my signature to stream only, or whether or not to allow downloading, you can even sell from there without fees. It's a free set up as well.
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unfortunately, anything that you can hear you can also record. even audacity will do that. as mac and toucher said, protecting yourself with copyrights will help. however, if copyrights are anything like patent law your infringement must reach 6 figures before an attorney wants to get involved in the case.
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Soundclick give you the option to turn-off the downloading (as do most other streaming sites, I believe).
Personally, I think you should allow the download of 128kbs MP3 files and then sell higher quality files.
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Before you publish any song you'd better register it. In the Netherlands you can do this for free at the tax-office. They have a special section called "registration" . You hand them the music (paper, CD or whatever) and they register it for you. They will, for one, date-stamp the closed envelope containing your music you'll receive. Buma/Stemra can help you exploit your rights.
Any and all music you publish online can and will be copyed. If you don't want complete songs to be copyed, you can publish a short demo-version.
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Thanks all for your reactions.
Just to get to the general topic: I don't want to sound ungrateful for the help being offered here, but I must say that I am aware of the copyright possibilities (worked for a record company, played in several bands with own songs, education is audio enginering, so I guess I am allready pretty well informed about all that copy protecting stuff). In fact the real question I asked has not been answered yet. A website that uses streaming audio (like some television or radio stations use). I don't know of any, but maybe one day any of you have come across such a site.
@Mac, thanks, still my intension is not 100% prevention, as I said I am aware of the fact that it is never 100% protected (copy-wise, I am not talking about like in law protected), but just make it not downloadable. Many people might use those kind of programs (and many others like it), but there are also many people who don't want to sit out that time and record realtime. For this last group I am asking this question.
@Toucher & Kemmrich: Thanks for the tip, I checked your site to see if it is download-proof. I am sorry to say, but I could just download the track.
@Don, thanks. I was as you can read in my post aware that nothing can be protected from realtime recording. I just don't want to make it all too easy for everybody. Many people will not record, they only use download options, which I would like to prevent.
@ Mike. Thanks for this too. I was aware of it since I protected my earlier songs through the tax centre, however only BUMA STEMRA means real protection. The tax centre only registers, which gives you a certain reliable proof, they don't help in any violations further on.
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I don't know if Toucher opted for stream only. But with the right software tools it doesn't matter if it's stream-only. It finds the source of the stream and copies it: no live recording needed. Why do you want to publish your music online? If for demo-purposes I'd sugest to make a short remix of the song(s) and post them on one of the sugested sites. Youtube would also be an option if you want to get some attention. As for BUMA/STEMRA; when you let them exploit the rights to your music you know you'll have to pay them to publish your own music. That's all fine when one's a good selling author, but when your music doesn't make that much money yet, it can be somewhat expensive. So wether or not involve BUMA and or STEMRA is quite a bit tricky at the start (I know...been there, still there  ) You're right about the tax-office. They won't protect you any more than a notary office would (which are the only two options for regestering music in the Netherlands) Only the tax-office offer their service for free. Just make sure you have some proof you had that music on a certain date before anybody else had.
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But with the right software tools it doesn't matter if it's stream-only. It finds the source of the stream and copies it: no live recording needed.
Well that exactly is my point. I have been in my search for such a website, been trying to see if I could download stuff. I could download up to now everything on any website I visited, except radio and television broadcasting streams. If you can tell me if there is still a way and how so I can check it myself, to even break that wall down, then I am sure there is no hope to find any website that would be able to offer this protection. Until I haven't seen a way for downloading tv and radio programs, there is still a little light shining.
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Why do you want to publish your music online? If for demo-purposes I'd sugest to make a short remix of the song(s) and post them on one of the sugested sites. Youtube would also be an option if you want to get some attention.
As one who performs does a few try-out performances before getting the actual show for the big audience in a commercial way, the same I would like to do with my songs, or portions of it. I would like to know what would be a good product to publish for sales by checking the reactions or number of plays of a song. This way I can focus on the type of songs I create just for fun, and others for fun and "fame" (j/k). Anyway, I see it as a market research for my stuff. It will not be there forever, but just long enough to get my indications in the right direction. If then it is hard to copy from, I am giving away for free as less as possible.
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As for BUMA/STEMRA; when you let them exploit the rights to your music you know you'll have to pay them to publish your own music. That's all fine when one's a good selling author, but when your music doesn't make that much money yet, it can be somewhat expensive. So wether or not involve BUMA and or STEMRA is quite a bit tricky at the start (I know...been there, still there )
Exactly. I am not going into bussiness with BUMA untill I am sure there is a possibility I might succeed. I know a year's fee of BUMA STEMRA is not all that high, but why flushing down my money if I got a great spare ribs restaurant close who love to see me putting that money in my belly?
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You're right about the tax-office. They won't protect you any more than a notary office would (which are the only two options for regestering music in the Netherlands) Only the tax-office offer their service for free. Just make sure you have some proof you had that music on a certain date before anybody else had.
Well seems they improved then! In the past I brought my works there and still had to pay a small contribution of fl.3,50 per composition. But well for the money this is a good temporarily way in between yes.
But the question still remains...
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Get your own webspace (costs money) an html editor, which could be a simple drag-and-drop or a fullblown editing/publishing suite -- and publish your songs there as stream only if that is what you want to do. Typically must be done by imbedding a Player of some kind into the page.
Downside is that you may have less traffic, but in time with good material that can change literally overnight on the internet. Privately published works occasionally have "gone viral" like that. Many artists get around by publishing a small work or two on the "open" free sites like Soundclick, etc. -- and provide a LINK to their private webpage where interested people can then hear more songs, purchase same, etc. -- a good option IMHO.
Then there is the "mpu" format. Some of those aforementioned sites may work with the .mpu, which is a way to keep the download from being done yet still allow playback from the page.
We can lock the gate, but that won't prevent you from being copied and sold in Russia, man. I found out that I had a small hit over there a few Christmases back. Only thing about that was that I didn't get recognition nor money for it (grin).
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Haha, sorry to hear that Mac (the Russia story) and sorry I had to laugh, it was the way you wrote it making me. And yeah, I realize the gate will always be open, but as I mentioned, I try to limit those people that can't find the key to it or are to lazy to open that gate. Thanks for your advice Mac. If no other tips come in, I will consider the website of my own, in fact I allready got the space to that (included in my providers' contract). Point is that, even though I repair computers, build my own and for others as well, my weakness of knowledge and desinterest for the internet thingies make that building a website from scratch is something I attempted sometimes, but never finished/succeeded them. So if anyone knows of a free drag and drop program, that still has enough possibilities and preferable still has the possibility of editing in html on the side, I would be glad to hear so. Why all the time free? Well before purchasing a product, I feel it is only using if I know what exactly I am looking for, and without experience, no knowledge. Don't want to put my money down the drain, that's all, I am Dutch remember? I will look into that mpu extension usage, I am not familliar with that. I know it is a type of mp3, and I know by changing the mpu extension into mp3 makes it play again for players that don't support mp3. So I guess that is not what you mean. Can you tell me a bit about it or show a few links to where they used it so I can check it out?
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Exactly......you can prevent downloading, there are options at the site in my signature to stream only, or whether or not to allow downloading, you can even sell from there without fees. It's a free set up as well.
Hi Toucher. I said before I could download one of your tracks, but of course I did not try downing them all. Can you give an example-link of one of your streaming tracks? I would like to see if that is what I mean. If that is working I might go there to put my songs later on it.
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Just a thought here. Have you tried Hyves? You can select stream-only here too. I tried to download my own music with Orbit, but didn't succeed. You are welcome to try to download the songs on my Hyves-page If you don't succeed.....well, I gues you have found what you where looking for. If you do....then the search continues 
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Well I guess the search continues. I could download it without any trouble. Thanks anyway. 
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There is software readily available to directly download even 'stream only' content even from tv stations, or whatever other example you want to use. One such program is Replay8. Just give it a URL and the file is yours.. from anywhere
There is also software to grab whole websites, like HTTrack, which will grab every bit of coding, scripting and images from a site... you will NEVER be protected 100%
I've been studying web security in school lately...
Get the rights registered so if someone steals it you can go after them. That is the only protection you will ever have.
I know it sounds very disheartening, but it is what it is and nothing more. If you play, you are in the game and you are fair game..
I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Make your sound your own!
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Oh gosh. I don't want to sound harsh, but well it seems that the real issue has not been read by some. It is NOT about what all IS possible for the downloading parties, we all know what can and cannot be done through the internet. I am just asking for the possibilities in limiting the downloading crowd out there. So please don't come with some other story about copyrighting the material, even I know you probably mean well, but I am pretty familiar with that. All I ask if someone knew, but apparantly not, about a website that offers the best download protection as in streaming material, and then of course the stronger coded ones. Streaming downloaders are much less spread still and therefore is the best option from all bad solutions. Just wanted an answer to that subject. Websites, good streaming suggestions/advices only please...
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