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Just wanted to write to say I'm following this thread with interest. Paul, thanks for what you are making!
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ditto their dittos!! Also you have NO NEED to apologize with things like… "I found and fixed my first dumbass mistake." Until folks start sending you money for you time, talent and hard work and even then they don’t need to KNOW it was a mistake (call it a feature you decided to remove  ) Larry
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Until folks start sending you money for you time, talent and hard work and even then they don’t need to KNOW it was a mistake (call it a feature you decided to remove )
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yeah, Paul.. I hope you plan to charge for this, because it's worth paying for!
Let me know the price and I'll send you a check as soon as you get it to the point where you feel satisfied with it.
Maybe Notes Norton would market it for you since he already has a system set up for online shopping. And your target audience is the same as his.
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yeah, Paul.. I hope you plan to charge for this, because it's worth paying for!
Let me know the price and I'll send you a check as soon as you get it to the point where you feel satisfied with it.
Thanks Pat but I never charge for software I release. I do it because I enjoy it and to charge would make me feel like it's a job. So it's going to be unrestricted freeware as always.
Besides, the people on this forum have been helpful and this is an opportunity for me to give back.
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Just wanted to write to say I'm following this thread with interest. Paul, thanks for what you are making!
You're welcome Matt. I always wanted to use my SD2 and VWorks with BiaB and this little program has accomplished that. Now I just hope others will get the same fun out of it.
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Paul, I've had Roland hardware synths for so many years that I really fell behind on software synths. I still love my Roland Fantom XR but would love to be able to access a software bass, for example, along with it. That's why I'm not a good beta tester for you but may well become a devoted user of your utility.
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yeah, Paul.. I hope you plan to charge for this, because it's worth paying for!
Let me know the price and I'll send you a check as soon as you get it to the point where you feel satisfied with it.
Thanks Pat but I never charge for software I release. I do it because I enjoy it and to charge would make me feel like it's a job. So it's going to be unrestricted freeware as always.
Besides, the people on this forum have been helpful and this is an opportunity for me to give back.
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my hat is off to you! Making a utility that's this useful freely available is a very gracious and unselfish thing to do! I'm sure a lot of us will derive great benefit from your gesture of good will... people all over the world no doubt, given the scope of PGMusic's customer base
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Paul, this is great news. If I understand correctly what you are creating, I would be able to use soft synths as well as hard synths and vocal processors from within BIAB...is this right?
I typically don't use BIAB but instead use RB for just this very reason...I want to work with both hard and soft synths. Your work here will open up a whole new world to those of us that want to use all of our toys in BIAB!
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Paul, this is great news. If I understand correctly what you are creating, I would be able to use soft synths as well as hard synths and vocal processors from within BIAB...is this right?
Yes, that's correct. You wil be able to send a single midi track to a hardware synth, harmoniser, vocal processor or any other hardware midi device. Depending on your setup you may or may not also hear the output (there must be a synth in the chain somewhere to hear it).
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I typically don't use BIAB but instead use RB for just this very reason...I want to work with both hard and soft synths. Your work here will open up a whole new world to those of us that want to use all of our toys in BIAB!
That's the exact motivation that got me looking into this. I have a Ketron SD2 which has some really nice voices which I can never use in BiaB since I prefer soft synths for guitars. Now I can use both.
I do realize RB can do this but it isn't the same for just jamming along with. BiaB is so much friendlier for accompaniment.
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Wow...this is fantastic! Just what myself and I'm sure many others need to bring us back to BIAB. I've pretty much walked away from it and use RB exclusively but really miss the BIAB song creation and accompaniment functions.
I'll keep checking in to follow your successes. If there is anything that I can do to help, please let me know.
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Here is the final (I hope) beta version 0.92b. If there are no more big issues I'll rename it as version 1.0 and move on to another project. I have another idea I think you will all like if I can make it work. Meanwhile here's the low down on the redirector. You can only access an unused midi port so you can't have multiple instances on different tracks unless they are accessing different ports. Should you want to send more than one track to your hardware synth you can put the redirector on the default slot and put software synths on the slots you DON'T want to send to your hardware synth. I tested this and it does work. To get your VoiceWorks or VW Plus working decide which track you are going to use and put the redirector on that slot. Set midi force channel = 9 (or whatever your unit uses). Set your unit to use midi notes for harmony or correction. It should work. I got mine functioning. Now in chord mode I think it should work as above but to get true chord output I think you'd need a midi style that does chords only. Since the midi is being redirected you won't hear any output if VWs is the only device on the hardware port. If you daisy chain a hardware synth as well you will hear the midi as well as power the VWs. So enjoy and keep me informed how things work for you. Paul
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Paul,
I'm disappointed to report that now it doesn't work here at all, not even the hardware synth
and sometimes when I pick a port from your drop down menu, it says the port is not active (green light doesn't come on)
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I'm disappointed to report that now it doesn't work here at all, not even the hardware synth
and sometimes when I pick a port from your drop down menu, it says the port is not active (green light doesn't come on)
That's really strange. It's working completely fine for me. Can you check the file date on the dll? It should be 1/27/2013. If not then there is some issue with the zip file. I check into it tomorrow.
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actually more experimentation got it to work with the hardware synth, but on a completely different port. I have 3 ports, midisport 2x2 (ports A and B) A=roland synth, B=voiceworks
I also have an M-Audio Ozone keyboard with a MIDI out port. Tonight IT works, but ports A and B don't
But even when hard wiring that port to the voiceworks, still no luck
what other settings could be different?
1) In MIDI options, under "USE VSTi/DXi synth" do you have the "route MIDI thru to MIDI driver" checked?
2) is your audio driver ASIO or something else?
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Hi pwarren and "million" thanks for the fantastic plugin!
It works exactly as you told.
You can only access an unused midi port so you can't have multiple instances on different tracks unless they are accessing different ports. Should you want to send more than one track to your hardware synth you can put the redirector on the default slot and put software synths on the slots you DON'T want to send to your hardware synth. I tested this and it does work.
To get your VoiceWorks or VW Plus working decide which track you are going to use and put the redirector on that slot. Set midi force channel = 9 (or whatever your unit uses). Set your unit to use midi notes for harmony or correction. It should work. I got mine functioning.
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what other settings could be different?
1) In MIDI options, under "USE VSTi/DXi synth" do you have the "route MIDI thru to MIDI driver" checked?
2) is your audio driver ASIO or something else?
I'll start here. I have "route MIDI thru to MIDI driver" checked and I use the ASIO driver from Focusrite. The "route MIDI thru to MIDI driver" shouldn't have any effect because of the ASIO driver. And ASIO vs MME shouldn't affect the routing of midi.
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actually more experimentation got it to work with the hardware synth, but on a completely different port. I have 3 ports, midisport 2x2 (ports A and B) A=roland synth, B=voiceworks
I also have an M-Audio Ozone keyboard with a MIDI out port. Tonight IT works, but ports A and B don't.
That's something at least. I think that's saying something is different about how your midi ports are installed and used.
The first thing you should check is whether BiaB is using any of the ports. Under "Opt|Midi/Audio Driver Setup" make sure "<No mid/sound output" is selected in the "Midi Output Driver" list. Or alternatively the "Microsoft GS Wavetable". This way we can be sure BiaB doesn't hold your hardware ports open. Also check that any other programs aren't accessing these ports either. I would suggest making sure your controller is off for the time being too.
Now I would try opening a song with midi on the melody track and insert the midi redirector on the melody channel with 'force midi to channel 9" (or whatever port your VWs supports). Make sure you select the correct midi port even if it is highlighted in the VSTi. It's the process of selection that opens the port for use. If the green status light doesn't come on it's telling you there's some reason it can't open the port (usually in use by some other program including other instances of the VSTi redirector.
I would also suggest you download and install MidiOx and MidiYoke. You can then use MidiOx to monitor the oputput from BiaB. Int that case you'd send your midi to a MidiYoke port and connect MidiOx to route the chosen MidiYoke port to your desired hardware port. Then you can see the BiaB output and capture a file of data that I could look at for analysis.
I hope this helps for now.
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Hi pwarren and "million" thanks for the fantastic plugin!
It works exactly as you told.
I'm glad it works for you and you like it. It looks like there'll be at least one more development cycle to help Pat get it working so, if you can, please check this thread and try any new beta versions so I can know it works for other people as well. Thanks.
Paul
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A real issue with this VSTi is the fact that midi ports are volatile. They may not always be installed on your system. For example a USB midi port may be powered down. In addition, midi ports might not always load in the same order. Example; a USB port is powered up after bootup.
Because of this if you save a song with the midi redirector on a track it might not point to the same port you hooked it up to. In fact it may not point to a valid port at all.
Now there's no way, under the VST specs, to save the ports ProductName. Only long integer sized numbers can be stored.
So you'll need to treat this VSTi differently than you might others. If you save a song with the redirector on a track you'll need to check that it's connected to a valid port. A pain in the rump I know but unfortunately unavoidable as far as I can see.
Now if your system has limited numbers of ports, like mine, and they are always connected prior to bootup then this probably won't be an issue for you. I hope this doesn't make the VSTi useless to you. It is still pretty cool for my purposes.
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Something else about some USB MIDI devices that I've noticed, with some programs, I have to attach the USB device to the port and let the OS recognize the device before opening or starting that program.
Some programs will even look like they "see" the USB device in their connection listing, but choosing it won't work if the device has not been recognized by the system first.
This can be confusing, for there are some programs out there that will recognize said device "on the fly" - allowing us to plug it in while the program is still running, yet the program must have a routine to be able to use the device that way.
Band in a Box is one of those programs where the USB device, whether MIDI or Audio or both, must be plugged in and recognized by your OS before starting up BB.
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