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We're planning on adding some additional forums to the list of PG Music forums, and wanted suggestions on what forums we could add.
Here are some ideas that I have, and please comment or change them.
1. "How Do I ...?"
This would be covering many topics on computer music topics. They don't have to be BB related
e.g. How Do I .... Record my Guitar into my DAW
How Do I .... Minimize buzz and computer sounds in my recordings.
how Do I ... Pitch correct my vocals live
Thanks to JoeV for the inspiration for this forum. He has posted several topics, and they have been of keen interest to many, with helpful replies from many forum members.
This would differ from the tips n tricks in that it would allow questions. We would edit this forum, to remove (or move) messages that have drifted off-topic.
2. Help my Song!
This would be intended for Songwriting. You would post whatever you have for a song, and people would provide input. For example, you might not be a songwriter at all, and you want to get started. You just have an idea for a song (some lyrics, but not completed). People can give you suggestions, tips on changing words etc. to make the lyrics better. Note: It would still be "your song", and contributions from members would be freely given to you.
It could also be help for other things, like with the Mix of the song or whatever. The key point here is that you are *asking* for help and critiques of your song, so people would be free to offer help (in the User Showcase, the songs are presented as finished product, so people are not expected to suggest many changes.
3. AddOns for Band-in-a-Box
This would be for third parties, to list/discuss their add-ons for BiaB (styles, songs/lessons, loops, RealDrums, VST's etc.)
Please comment on the above, and also any other forum ideas? Or different names for the above.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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I love #2! When do we start!
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the idea of a forum for buying and selling gear has been mentioned more than once. We all have some stuff we'd like to move in order to buy something else.
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We would edit this forum, to remove (or move) messages that have drifted off-topic.
THIS is the most interesting part, and I might add, likely to be the most helpful all around.
Especially if the Forum Rules are edited to include such things a hijacked threads rather than someone starting a new thread for a new question, posts about XXXX on YYYY forum, things like that.
Those are some good ideas.
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another interesting forum might be REVIEWS, where people offer their evaluation of gear, software, books, online training courses, plugins etc that pertain to the hobby of making, performing, or learning about music
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Peter, those are three very good ideas for forums!!!
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I don't like the idea of another forum that could include "how do I....." questions about BIAB programs as this is already covered with existing forums. It is better to keep all such questions on the existing forums. If you start such a forum it should state that it is NOT for BIAB related questions.
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Creation and Sharing of MIDI styles.
This would probably be an active area of interest.
Thanks for input request!
For #1 a subject How do I produce an in the hand CD?
Thru some number of questions and excellent responses and help
was able to create and produce my Single CD... Bucket list item.....
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Sounds like a good idea. I think mixing and songwriting suggestions would be helpful in it's own forum. Quote:
you might not be a songwriter at all, and you want to get started. You just have an idea for a song (some lyrics, but not completed). People can give you suggestions, tips on changing words etc. to make the lyrics better. Note: It would still be "your song", and contributions from members would be freely given to you.
I don't like the idea of encouraging someone to use others to write their "song idea" for them instead of learning the craft themselves while it remains "their song" - just saying. This wording is sending the wrong message imo because
"(some lyrics, but not completed)" That's crossing the line. We call that "co-writing" in songwriting circles where I come from. If I help with a word or a small suggestion for a song you've written that's one thing. If I flesh out an idea or write any new lines that are used then I am co-writing that song. Slippery slope.
I like Pat's idea of Gear reviews and discussion too where it's all in one place.
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If I help with a word or a small suggestion for a song you've written that's one thing. If I flesh out an idea or write any new lines that are used then I am co-writing that song.
Josie, could you elaborate why this is a bad thing?
If the argument is just because someone should "learn their craft", it seems to me a legitimate way to do it.
But if you're saying that the ownership of the song quickly becomes a legal mess because the co-writer is automatically part-owner of the song, that's a different story. I've heard plenty of stories where people have claimed "co-writer" credits on a song because of some minor suggestion, and I agree that's problematic.
-- David Cuny My virtual singer development blogVocal control, you say. Never heard of it. Is that some kind of ProTools thing?BiaB 2025 | Windows 11 | Reaper | Way too many VSTis.
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I gotta go with Josie on this one: Quote:
I don't like the idea of encouraging someone to use others to write their "song idea" for them instead of learning the craft themselves while it remains "their song" - just saying.
Including a forum that lets other folks “guide” you into a song isn’t the same as writing a song. It’s collaboration. Nothing wrong with that, but it ceases to be “your song”, regardless of the forum rules about input from others.
Personally, I don’t have a problem with someone critiquing a song AFTER it’s written, but I couldn’t possibly care less about what they think of the song before it’s finished. I’ve never gotten an idea about one of my songs from anyone that I even considered worthy of consideration. (Let me stress this. Not even a little bit).
If I had wanted someone else’s input, I would have simply suggested that they write a song for my listening pleasure. But stay the hell out of my song creation. You either like it or you don’t. Don’t ask me to help write one for you.
My vote is a thumbs down for that forum because it would only provide a crutch for someone who can’t complete a song on their own. Write a song. Ask for critiques if you want them. Then write another one. Don't ask someone else to do it for you.
Song writing principles would be fine, but that is easily handled on the OT forum.
Someone else can give you tips for riding a bike, but only you can peddle it down the street.
The “How do I” forum is a good idea, as is “Add On’s for Band-in-a-Box”. But I do think they would take away from the OT forum.
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A separate forum, well moderated, for jokes would be a good idea rather than Don's massive thread.
I agree with all Sundance and bobcflatpicker have said about songwriting. ie Mr Gannon's suggestion of "help my song". I too feel that this would not be a positive move as collaborations seem to naturally occur.
+1 for an "add-ons" forum. Maybe with a list of free vsti's that work with the Software.
Some forums should also be "read only" for people that have not registered their PG products. This would not stop newbies gaining insight into PG Music software and we would not loose the people who post and do not have PG software as they could still post in the off topic forum, for example. I have learnt/gained a lot from one in particular.
This could include suggestions on how to improve the products and/or manuals as in the tips and tricks forum now.
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I belong to a couple songwriting sites where there is peer-to-peer critiquing, suggestions and assistance going on all over the place. It is not that big of a deal to be worried about. None of these songs are going to be radio hits (ha, ha). It doesn't mean the songs aren't any good, it just means that they are folk just like us. If they were on the road to "hits", they wouldn't have time to hang out in songwriting forums.
I am neither for nor against a songwriting section -- but since there are more dedicated sites to this endeavor, it might be a case where it isn't needed. However, maybe some folks use this as a their primary internet site and it would be useful. It would take a while to gain traction, though.
Yes, if one of my songs ever became a "hit", it wouldn't surprise me to get sued by someone on an internet forum claiming to have "helped" me during the creation phase. Of course that person will be someone that didn't really help at all (ha, ha). It is a low probability risk, I do believe, though.
As a songwriter, I enjoy helping other songwriters (aspiring and otherwise) improve their songs by doing critiques and offering suggestions where I can. 90% of the time my opinions are ignored, because the songwriter wants to do what they want to do -- I am OK with that.
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The chances of a song from the songwriting forum becoming a "hit" are indeed small, but it's not impossible. If a song did take off, the incentive for people to claim a share of the royalties would become very tempting. It looks like possibly only the lawyers would win.
In order to make it work, I think you would need a disclaimer similar to that signed by session musicians, but it would be a nightmare to administer.
The used gear forum sounds good, as long as it doesn't start to rival ebay!
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Songwriting, peer-to-peer critique forums are (or should be) "use at your own risk" types of places.
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For a songwriting forum, it should be clearly stated in the rules (posted in a 'sticky') that any and all suggestions become the property of the original writer and that no one else has any claim to the work.
the Insolent LadEnough small empty boxes thrown into a big empty box fill it full. ~Carl Sandburg
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I think all three of Peter’s suggestions are good ones.
As far as co-writing and collaborations I think that should be between the parties themselves. I have collaborated on a number of songs here and over at Kara-Moon. I have also co-written a few with no problems. Of course as you know I also write my own.
One other forum I would like to see is “Hello I’m…..”. This would be a forum where we could all introduce and possibly tell a little bit about ourselves.
OK, a random thought;
Why does toilet paper need a commercial? Who's not buying it?
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Peter, I would love a Joke Thread so long as did not become a Smut Fest. Jokes need not be dirty, racist, or hurtful to be knee-slappin' funny where 'laughter tears' run down the legs. Quote:
Don,
Your thread is the best thread on the PG forums. Please keep it up!
From a fellow BIABer who believes that humo(u)r need not be dirty, racist, or hurtful in order to be funny.
Thanks for your support.
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move the educator forum to pg music forums listing page then promote it in schools and at conferences with a yearly contest awarding software for best practices lesson plans http://www.pgmusic.com/educators/forum/postlist.php?Board=general
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