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Mac, I am in touch with BIAB support and sent them a demonstration file. Once the cause is ID'd I'll report back.
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When I want to make an Audio file using my Ketron SD2, I have to Audio Record the entire Band in a Box performance from beginning to end.
This can be done using the BB Audio Track, I find it better to open another Recording Program (typically the free Audacity.exe) and set the soundcard's Record Properties to record "Line Inpout" or, if the audio outputs of the Ketron are connected to Line Input and you can hear it playback in BB, alternatively you can use whatever the particular sound device mfr happens to call the input that records directly from the playback output. This second way can also capture any RealTracks and/or RealDrums the songfile may be using as well as the output of the Ketron.
This is not a fast Render operation, it is a simple one, though, once levels are set correctly. Only takes as much time to do as the length of the songfile itself. An added advantage is that a separate Audio program has all sorts of fast editing capabilities, one can easily strip off Countin if desired, can use Plugins to change apparent Loudness and Volume if needed, can Save As .wav, .mp3 or any other pcm audio format the recording program can handle.
Again, there isn't any way to perform a Direct Render when using *any* hardware MIDI synth. The sounds are in the box, outside the realm of the computer's cpu.
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Hi Mac. I don't have enough tech savvy to dispute your comment. I will say that when I used to render a BIAB song to .wav, the blue light on the SD2 blinked the whole time the render was taking place. Unless the sound was going through the SD2, I don't know why the light would be blinking. It doesn't blink when I check the DXi box though. The window that popped up with the various render selections in the previous BIAB is no longer there either--at least on the version that I'm using. I've kept my ext hd's each time I've upgraded so I suppose I can just go back to an earlier version or render to .wav in Sonar.
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Shastastan:
How long did such a Direct Render take to accomplish?
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Hi Mac. It takes the length of the song at tempo to play and record to audio. The procedure is:
1. Click Audio Menu
2. Click Render Midi to Audio
3. Click (Re)-Render to Wav file. (For me using the SD2 and Edirol UA-4FX)
The are options in this window to select as you choose such as stereo file, 2-bar ending, etc..
I've never used the Audio Menu to select this in the past since it was accessed by clicking the .Wav button. That's changed now, but old dum dum (me) didn't figure it out right away.
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That's not a real Direct Render.
It is actually Recording the performance of the MIDI synth from start to finish onto the BB Audio Track.
Direct Render using DXi takes only a few seconds to do an entire songfile.
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No doubt that you are technically right because after it records there is additional time for it to render to .wav. My issue was that the window I mentioned was no longer tied to the .Wav button. I thought that the entire process had been removed but it is now in the Audio Menu. The only reason that I've even posted about it was to possibly help the OP. He said that things worked in the past and I thought maybe he was not aware that the popup had been moved to the Audio Menu.
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Well, I am back with the original problem. So far BB Support only suggested a reload of the 2013 and Coyote WT. THis was done and there was no change. I loaded BB onto a second computer and the same thing happened, or should I say didn't happen? The only thing in common with the two computers is Windows 7. Its not looking good for Wav render. Working in BB before the render the slow down function works, but an associated problem has now surfaced. In some cases, the original tempo plays for two bars on top of the slow down. Two different temps at once. I may just give up.
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This may just be a single corrupted songfile. It happens.
You should pick any of the pgmusic demo songs, load it and try a render, see if that works okay.
If so, it may be that you would have to hit New and re-enter that songfile from scratch in order to find joy.
Rendering in win7 works for many others...
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There is corruption somewhere. But I have tried this on perhaps thirty different songs files. I'll try a demo.
Later: As with the other files, the Demo exports to a Wav, but does not include the slow down in tempo which I put in the demo.
Last edited by Limau; 03/27/13 05:56 AM.
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I couldn't duplicate that here, but maybe I'm not invoking the ritard in the same fashion or something else is different.
Could you possibly find one of those file storage sites on the web somewhere and upload one or two of the songfiles you have that exhibit this behavior so that some of us might be able to download and try it out at our end? Post the URL to that webspace in this thread so we can get to it and download.
That might be the fastest way to get to the bottom of this at this point, prove it to be a bona fide bug or whatever.
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After a long series of communications, Support finally cracked it. Even after deleting all BB files,re-installing BB does not alter some registry settings, so, installing in a different folder forced new registry settings. I have tested three files, all worked fine. Slowed tempo exports to Wav. I was getting a bit cranky, and I am so proud that I did not ignite my famously short fuse.
Last edited by Limau; 03/27/13 11:30 PM.
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The main Band in a Box .exe program does NOT write to the Windows Registry. This has been a feature of Band in a Box for a long time, allowing the program to run "standalone" from external drives, etc.
Whatever was up, glad you managed to get it sorted, now you can get on to Having Fun.
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There's a free program you can download called CCleaner. I use it to clear out extraneous stuff from my registry from time to time. Don't know if you might find that helpful in your situation or not. Just sayin.....
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The main Band in a Box .exe program does NOT write to the Windows Registry.
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Thanks, that is interesting. Perhaps the culprit was Coyote Wav Table.
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Stan and others, you guys are confusing the terms. Remember the other thread where I talked about terminology? render is a computer function being done using a software synth only.
You may have noticed that rendering a song is much faster than playing it in real time. Ask yourself how is this possible? It's because you're using a software synth that is being processed by your internal CPU. An external sound module has it's own internal processing chip, your CPU has nothing to do with it so therefore you don't render a song using a hardware module. You play the song in real time with the audio outputs from the hardware module going back in to your computer using your interfaces audio inputs to be recorded by a separate DAW like Real Band, Sonar, whatever. Using software you might render a five minute song in 30 seconds but using hardware a five minute songs takes five minutes just like the old days when you bounced your 4 or 5 track stereo mix down to another tape recorder. Hence the term "mixdown". Remember when we all had to have two recorders if we were doing multitracking?
Technical terms, gotta know those technical terms.
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