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Hello,
when using pushes (with realtracks), e.g. "^F", the hole band plays an anticipation (before the beat). That sounds pretty wierd. What I want is only the guitar playing a push, the drums playing straight without an accent. Is this possible?
Any ideas?
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After the first generation freeze the Guitar track and then remove the push and regenerate.
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Yes if you open bar settings you can exclude any instruments from the push. This means you can easily have the guitar with a push and the drums playing straight rhythm.
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I do it the way Jazzmandan suggested. Keep in mind that there are a lot of natural pushes by the guitar in some styles, such as the Bossa styles. You might want to audition different RealTracks on the guitar part, and perhaps you won't even need to use a push.
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Yes if you open bar settings you can exclude any instruments from the push. This means you can easily have the guitar with a push and the drums playing straight rhythm.
Not in the Mac version (I changed recently). In the chords settings you can exclude instruments from rests, but not from pushes :-( In the bar settings there is not such an option.
I think I have to go with the freeze option – which is a lot of work as far as I have to change the chords in the whole song.
Thanks for your advice!
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This question should have been posted on the Band in a Box for Macintosh forum, where there are more users familiar with that and any workarounds.
Less confusion, more answers.
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Just to clarify what funkycornwall says ... Quote:
... if you open bar settings you can exclude any instruments from the push.
I wasn't aware of this until now. Thank you funkycornwall 
Playing around with the effect, it seems that it's only possible to exclude instruments when "shot" or "hold" is selected. This makes sense to me because an anticipated chord/note is probably going to be held anyway.
Wintetsch, it might be worth trying that. Maybe the Mac version does do it!
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Yes if you open bar settings you can exclude any instruments from the push. This means you can easily have the guitar with a push and the drums playing straight rhythm.
Assuming we're talking about the Windows version of BIAB, funkycornwall, could you please elaborate how this is done? I don't see this in either the chord settings or bar settings dialogs.
[EDIT] In a quick experiment, I told BIAB to push a chord and hold it except drums. The drums still played the push.
Last edited by Matt Finley; 04/07/13 09:05 AM.
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Hi Matt, We must have been typing at the same time. Either that or I'm psychic!!! And I didn't even have a crystal ball. I answered your question before your post Noel
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Yes, but it didn't work, for me at least.
We are talking about the Chord settings, and not the Bar settings, right?
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I just entered ...
C F/C | ^C...bdps
... regenerated and I could definitely hear the guitar coming in before beat 1.
(It was necessary to regenerate as BIAB didn't automatically do the job as it often does when chords, etc., are changed.)
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Noel, I'm not sure the guitar is a good test. Many styles have the guitar normally playing ahead of the beat. Please try your test with a drum track.
Also, for the OP, at least in the Windows version of BIAB, there is a checkbox in Edit, Song Settings to Allow RealTracks Shots, Holds and Pushes. Unchecking this means the song will play without them, making it much easier than manually removing the pushes throughout the song.
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Matt, it seems to work for me on the drums too. The only thing I noted was that if I use the three dots for hold, the drums stop after the anticipation and it's necessary to put a chord in to get then going again. (I'm using _DIRE_SL.STY at a tempo of 85.)
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OK, thanks. I must be missing something. How are you doing this? Chord Settings dialog? Or by typing/entering the chord with ^ and .. characters?
I was trying to do it in the dialogs, and it doesn't seem to work.
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The pushes are unaffected by the instrument list that follows shots/rests'holds.
For example, on the chord ^F...dgb
all instruments will follow the push. The "dgb" refers to instruments that are excluded from the held chords.
So if you want an instrument to not follow a push, likely the best suggestion would be to freeze that track (as suggested in a post above)
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... likely the best suggestion would be to freeze that track (as suggested in a post above)
he he, I told you so.... 
I get one right every once in a while ... 
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Oooh, that's a worry. I must be hearing things now! It would seem that 3:00 a.m. is not the best time to be investigating these sorts of BIAB wonders! Still it's very interesting that it's possible to have shots and holds associated with pushes. I wasn't aware of that one. I'll have to find some way to use this ability in a song now
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I'm an utter BIAB newbie and am only working on my 1st BIAB tune, but this is already an issue for me. It seems the only way to change chords on the 'and' of a beat (EG most commonly the & of 2 and less commonly the & of 3) is to enter it as a push? Please correct me if I'm wrong?
In the few styles I've auditioned these 'pushes' sound heavier that what I'm looking for. IE, I'm just looking to change chords on the 'and' of a beat. Not necessarily give it a dramatic emphasis, which is what BIAB seems to always want to do. Again... correct me if I'm wrong.
Basically, I'm figuring that once I render the audio out for use in my DAW, I'll have to edit the drama out. I'm pretty good with Sonar and don't figure it'll be a problem. But it sure seems like one area for future improvement of BIAB might be to make chord changes on partial beats more sophisticated.
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Hello Ian. For a newbie, I think you have a good grasp of things.
There are settings in BIAB (Opt., Preferences, Arrange) to adjust the emphasis for pushes, shots and holds, but these settings affect only MIDI tracks.
Different RealTracks have different emphases of these elements, as real players would (which is what they are). Keep auditioning. And, if the emphasis that offends you is only in a RealDrum track, it is possible for you to modify that.
You asked if this is the ONLY way to get chords on the "and" of a beat. No, it isn't; there are some workarounds you can try. One way is the treat what would sound as one measure by using two measures. This effectively gives you eight chords per measure. Bob 'Notes' Norton even developed a line of aftermarket styles to exploit this technique. You can experiment yourself by adjusting the style and tempo accordingly when you use the Edit, Expand Durations by 2. Some styles will work, some won't - you have to experiment.
Your question is also related to what may be one of the most frequently requested items in the Wishlist, to have more than 4 chords per measure. If you had more subdivisions (such as the trick mentioned above), then you would have control over pushes because they would be just another 'normal' chord.
I hope this helps give you a little more perspective.
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Hi Ian,
There are settings that control the 'drama' (volume) associated with pushes (and shots/holds) for RealTracks.
For RealTracks (other than Drums), you need to set each RealTracks seprately.
For Drums, there is a global setting for pushes and holds/shots volume.
- Pushes, Holds, Shots for RealTracks
( to change the volume of pushes for a RealTracks, edit the RealTracks, by Soloist button-Edit button-More and then set a dB (decibel) offset for Holds dB offset 'a' substyle and the same one for 'b' substyle.
- Pushes for RealDrums
- there is a global setting for this in RealDrums Prefs dialog
called RealDrums Prefs - Adjust Push Velocity
- Holds/Shots for Real Drums
- there is a global setting for this in RealDrums Prefs dialog
called RealDrums Prefs - Adjust Holds Velocity
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