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Hi all,
If I use soley BIAB built-in melody or song to mix and match for building a new song, do I own the right of the new song?
Thanks in advance
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You probably do but it will never be your creation. Later, Ray
P.S. What's the point? BIAB is here to help you create something, not to create something for you. Just my opinion.
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Hi Sam, Yes you do own it. Completely. I have to add that, with all due respect to Ray, I see 'creating' a little differently. From my perspective, the act of creating comes in many different shapes and forms. Ray is a very competent musician and, for him, writing and improvising music is not a problem. For a large number of forum members, though, that's not the case. Many people who use BIAB have very little understanding of music. One of BIAB's big strengths is that it allows less able musicians create music. To my way of thinking, that has to be a good thing  All the best, Noel EDIT: After reading Matt's post below, I realize that I should have been more thorough. I was only focused on using BIAB's melody creator. Thanks Matt.
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Sam, I'm fine with both comments above but I want to make absolutely sure I understand one thing you wrote. When you say, "use soley BIAB built-in melody", what exactly does that mean?
If you mean the demo songs supplied with the program, no, they are not yours to claim; they are copyrighted by PG Music. If you mean you want to make a song based on a melody from a popular song or even a recognizable hook, you should stay away from that too.
But if you mean, let BIAB generate the whole song (which it can do), or generate a new melody to chord changes (which it can do), or generate chords to a melody you wrote (which it can sort-of do), then you are OK to use the new song you made.
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Thank you for your reply, raymb1, Noel96 and Matt.
@Matt: I really know little of music. I bought BIAB 2007 and have not used it since then.
In BIAB 2007, "Sololist > Generate and Play a Solo..."
we can generate a solo.
Is the generated solo unique? Will there be a chance other users in the world generate the same solo, using the same settings?
Thanks in advance
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PGMusic has informed us several times on this forum that any music that you generate using the automated Soloist or Melodist is yours to copyright if you so desire.
The odds of someone else generating the same work are extraordinarily high and not likely to happen, BTW.
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Thank you, Mac.
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The odds of someone else generating the same work are extraordinarily high and not likely to happen, BTW.
--Mac Should read extraordinarily low. But you knew that.  R.
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High odds means little chance.
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I stand by my statement. Substitute the word "chance" for "odds" and see what you think.
R.
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High odds means little chance. To be meaningful, the use of "odds" or "chances" must be qualified as "for/in favor" or "against." The problem was the use of the word "of" instead which rendered the remark ambiguous. The odds OR chances in favor of winning a Triple Crown are low while at the same time, the odds are high against that outcome. (-: Jim
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You are absolutely correct. Thanks for the clearing that up for us. 
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
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The odds of someone else generating the same work are extraordinarily high and not likely to happen, BTW. become... The chances of someone else generating the same work are extraordinarily high and not likely to happen, BTW. Do you mean this?
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The odds of someone else generating the same work are extraordinarily high and not likely to happen, BTW. become... The chances of someone else generating the same work are extraordinarily high and not likely to happen, BTW. Do you mean this? What is meant is this: "The chances of someone else generating the same work are extraordinarily low and not likely to happen." In other words, you are nearly certain to have a unique creation.
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
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I left out the word, "against"...
But I think anybody could still grasp the meaning anyway.
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Every native English speaker reading the post got what you meant immediately, Mac, but to someone for whom English is a second language it might be very difficult to discern the true meaning without that "extra" word. Not a criticism--you know that.
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
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I was esrlier smiling over he idea that is that is all someone can find to correct about my many posts, it does indeed speak volumes.
I don't spend a lot of time rereading or editing here, what you get is generally off the top of this old head, and also typed at a rather brisk clip.
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Thanks a lot.
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Back to the merits of the question:
I agree each generated solo will be unique in total, but it should be acknowledged that there can sometimes be similarities or even the same phrase that pops up in the same place.
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Back to the merits of the question:
I agree each generated solo will be unique in total, but it should be acknowledged that there can sometimes be similarities or even the same phrase that pops up in the same place.
Great point! In my experience, such melodies often change VERY little from one iteration to the next. Therefore, while each iteration is truly UNIQUE in the sense that it is not exactly the same as any other iteration, that DOES NOT create a copyrightable work for EACH interation. Why? Because there would OFTEN be VAST similarities between the two iterations and the first user to perfect a copyright in the earlier of the two interations is going to WIN an infrinegment claim against the later version. You CANNOT merely change a few notes in an entire work and perfect a copyright interest in that work. And again...in my LIMITED experience generating melodies, the similarities often VASTLY exceed the differences from ineration to iteration. So, in answer to the question..."Can I obtain an enforceable copyright in a melody generated by BIAB?"...the answer is "MAYBE and MAYBE NOT." I GET it that the above is not necessarily a helpful answer...but it is the correct one! One slight element of clarification would be that at least PG cannot claim a copyright in whatever melody a user randomly generates. Clear as mud huh? Welcome to the world of copyright law!!!! (-: Best, Jim
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