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My music buddies and I have always had a warning we lived be, be careful of focusing more on the technology and less on the music! I am afraid I have failed to heed my own warning and have slipped in to the dark side, spending more time on gear and gizmos then on playing and making music. For the past months I have spent my limited precious time which I have allocated to music (due primarily to the day job) on fiddling with computers and buggy music software. It started when I began working on a cover of "I'm gonna live the life I sing about in my Song" < how ironic..>. First it was the drums, which not being a drummer have long been a curse to me. Then it was the bass. One drum machine VST after another after another, one more RT\RD to audition then another and another, why don't I just write out the midi? why don't I just play the part? - heck if these aren't just right the whole groove is wrong. The real answer is cause I can't! All this misdirection and trying to do it all has resulted in my knowledge of a lot of things and my mastery of none. It may be too late for me, but I write this to warn you younger guys. Focus on the Music!! Learn your instrument!! And when you need to record and mix and master and arrange then folks who have spent their time mastering these elements will find you. Do I sound frustrated?  You Bet!
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Hey - I am in the same position, and to an extent of course you answered your own question. It's similar to the very reason when one sits at a computer to finish one thing, there are all of a sudden 10 other REALLY INTERSTING things that compete for your attention.
...And, chances are, many on the site LIKE and WORK WITH technology and gizmos, and this transfers to their music hobby. The very access to new digital music products and features brings out the tinkering child in us - hey that's new and cool, I want to play with that.
Just think about it - in previous times, there were SUBSTANTIALLY less options to buy such music production equipment within reach of the middle to lower class guy.
Something eye opening (which I intentionally haven't done) is to measure the percentage of time you spend with instrument in hand or studying music without the distraction of overcoming technical hurdles, vs. the latter.
I've rationlized my choice to "I enjoy tinkering with the technology and being able to do things the non-tinkerers can't." But I do often wish my musicianship was better, but this is the price paid.
And after - if you're bold enough to start measuring your time, you could always intentionally divide an allocated percentage (preferably bigger than your current) solely to your instrument.
PS - where does time spent on the forums belong ? lol - probably as much to the tech as to your primary instrument(s) skills.
This would make a good poll - assuming people were aware of where they actually spend their time, which I'm sure most aren't.
In fact - on the topic, I've spent way more energy scouring craigslist for music instrument deals than on perfecting my instrument mastery...shame on me : )
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Right on, jazzman. Everything I know about computers I learned in self defense--and I've spent a LOT of time defending myself. I'd be afraid to self-audit my time that way. Really, what's the ROI on hours spent at the PC versus minutes of music actually produced?
All I can say is, I'm between two places right now so don't really have quality time to spend on computer music. But I've got a little practice amp set up where I'm moving and I'm getting in a lot of time on my new fretless bass that I know I wouldn't otherwise. Still not music production, but I feel like I'm accomplishing something.
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
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To me the antidote for this is twofold:
1. Go on a gear purchase "fast". Do not even consider purchase of any new software or hardware until you have woodshedded out at least a new 25% of the gear you already own. For me, these fasts last 5-10 years.
2. Force yourself to play out in front of people either live or by raw recording simple voice and instrument. Do open mics, form a band or join one. Learn how to play bass. Buy one if you have to violating rule 1. Bass players that can hold down the low end and not get in the way are in high demand. You can get a very gig friendly bass at Rondo for just over a c note shipped to your house. I learned the fretboard by forcing myself to play bass and now I get asked to play in two different worship bands and I'm enjoying it. My guitar playing has ratcheted up as a result.
3., yes I know I said twofold. Write songs. Lots of them. Don't talk yourself out of it. Practice writing. Share the songs no matter how raw they are recorded. Work on this until it starts to feel natural. Work on it until you can say "I'm a songwriter" and you feel honest saying it.
All of these will distract you from the computer and hone skills that once its time to return to the technology, will only help not hinder.
That's been my journey so far.
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To me the antidote for this is twofold:
1. Go on a gear purchase "fast". At first I thought you were trying to push me deeper down the rabbit hole. But then I saw the means to your madness. I have not bought a new guitar in more years than I can imagine. Perhaps a shopping trip for that bass is the proverbial "hair of the dog" to cure me. I appreciate all input guys.
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My music buddies and I have always had a warning we lived be, be careful of focusing more on the technology and less on the music! I am afraid I have failed to heed my own warning and have slipped in to the dark side, spending more time on gear and gizmos then on playing and making music.
Me too. Gotta get better....
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Well said . . . I usually play at least one gig a week. The night before I spend a couple of hours going over my playlist for the upcoming gigs, song selection volume checks and song placing for the gigs. Of course with guitar in hand just be to sure I know not only what I am going to sing but also get some idea of what and where my solos will come in.
Dan I guess what I am saying is that I am the opposite of the example you stated, while I really dig playing I always find myself behind on writing and recording projects.
Maybe we can team up :>!
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My music buddies and I have always had a warning we lived be, be careful of focusing more on the technology and less on the music! I am afraid I have failed to heed my own warning and have slipped in to the dark side, spending more time on gear and gizmos then on playing and making music. For the past months I have spent my limited precious time which I have allocated to music (due primarily to the day job) on fiddling with computers and buggy music software. It started when I began working on a cover of "I'm gonna live the life I sing about in my Song" < how ironic..>. First it was the drums, which not being a drummer have long been a curse to me. Then it was the bass. One drum machine VST after another after another, one more RT\RD to audition then another and another, why don't I just write out the midi? why don't I just play the part? - heck if these aren't just right the whole groove is wrong. The real answer is cause I can't! All this misdirection and trying to do it all has resulted in my knowledge of a lot of things and my mastery of none. It may be too late for me, but I write this to warn you younger guys. Focus on the Music!! Learn your instrument!! And when you need to record and mix and master and arrange then folks who have spent their time mastering these elements will find you. Do I sound frustrated? You Bet! I am tickled that this advice is for us folks who are here primarily because we use software to generate music for us! 
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Hi, Dan ! I have been following the discussion on this topic with great interest ! I may be wrong, but hold the impression that it is never too late to improve on your playing skills ? I learned to play rhytm guitar at a reasonably young age (I guess most boys do) but when I got married I left all playing. Then came the kids one, two, three and the time just floated away ! I did sing sporadically, though,during this period. Came the year 1991 (my kids were old enough for me to think a little of getting some of that music stuffed deep inside me out, so I bought an ovation (rhytm guitar) and started to compose music I wrote 16 tunes in a row and then I made a record with some old school mates. I give you an example from that 1992 record " Northward Bound" http://app.box.com/s/14a19f29e88be5b68895After that record we soon quit playing and started to sing barbershop instead. Now in older days after the death of my dear wife Beni, I picked up my dusty old ovation again and joined the Shadows Club Perth, where I found a lot of good friends that helped me get over the worst time of my life ! I had never really played lead guitar in my whole life, but I started to rehearse and after having performed lead to such gems like The Shadows "Shindig", "Dance On" and "Foot Tapper" Here is my rendition of Dance On played with the acoustic ovation(took me a month to rehearse) http://app.box.com/s/syil905xup5raaywf500I have continued to play lead to a lot of other tunes also. I know I will never be a master on that instrument, but I can always get better ! And that is precisely what I wanted to convey to you Dan !  It is really never too late as long as you are alive and kickin´? Cheers Dani
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Thanks for the encouragement guys. Today, the sun rose and the lights came on again. And with that also a flash of insight in which I saw the root to my problem. My ear was not transcribing the song as well as it should, so with the chords a tad off, it just seemed like all hell was breaking loose. So this morning, in the light of a new day, I went to: http://www.onlinesheetmusic.com/And with this excellent resource I was able to get the actual sheet music - what a help it was. In past two hours I have made more progress in laying out this song then the past 2 days. My RT bass player is now all of sudden sounding much better (hehe).
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Dani,
Nice work on the two pieces. Both rhythm and lead work is something you should indeed take pride in. And the vocals are stellar. Thanks for the insights and the music.
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My good friend !:)
Thank you for your kind words but my real
intention was to get you off the dark side as
soon as possible ! You have to take the sunny
side of the street instead !!
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I am tickled that this advice is for us folks who are here primarily because we use software to generate music for us! Advice still relavent. I have been using software to generate music (including using BIAB) for the better part of 20 years. So heed my warning, there comes a time when nothing can substiture for the real thing. In the case of BIAB no one will disagree, the more you know the better it gets. There was a movie recently where a guy took a pill to make himself smart. The best pharse in the movie was " it works better if you are smart to begin with".
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You have to take the sunny side of the street instead !!
Cheers
Dani yes, understood and appreciated.
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This could be a long discussion but my lack of typing ability will make it sort of short. This is only a general comment and not at anybody at all.OK?
We have all of these wonderful tools available to us for recording, writing,one man bands on and on. Mixing, mastering, burning & more.Editing, cut, paste, fiddle. get what I'm saying? The issues come when a person can't use all these tools to create some masterpiece. Well the bottom line is that some folks just are not meant to do this. They don't have the skills, talent etc. to create this master piece. My advice to anyone is to evaluate your strengths and weaknesses and focus on the strengths and accept that things you just can't do.
I am never frustrated writing songs.Why? Because I realised many, many years ago that I was not a writer and just was not adept at that. Unfortunately there are also a lot of people that are not writers either and you hear, subjectively, some pretty bad material.
To say it another way I bet there are a bunch of folks that would LOVE to build their dream home with their own hands. You can buy all the tools, all the material etc. but I'd be willing to bet that even though all the stuff is available to build a house most would never consider it.My $.02
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This could be a long discussion but my lack of typing ability will make it sort of short. This is only a general comment and not at anybody at all.OK?
We have all of these wonderful tools available to us for recording, writing,one man bands on and on. Mixing, mastering, burning & more.Editing, cut, paste, fiddle. get what I'm saying? The issues come when a person can't use all these tools to create some masterpiece. Well the bottom line is that some folks just are not meant to do this. They don't have the skills, talent etc. to create this master piece. My advice to anyone is to evaluate your strengths and weaknesses and focus on the strengths and accept that things you just can't do.
I am never frustrated writing songs.Why? Because I realised many, many years ago that I was not a writer and just was not adept at that. Unfortunately there are also a lot of people that are not writers either and you hear, subjectively, some pretty bad material.
To say it another way I bet there are a bunch of folks that would LOVE to build their dream home with their own hands. You can buy all the tools, all the material etc. but I'd be willing to bet that even though all the stuff is available to build a house most would never consider it.My $.02 I'd agree mostly but I'd say if it pleases you, regardless of whether you have any talent (or whether someone else deems you have talent), then do it! The vast majority of singer-songwriters will never earn their keep with this. So IMHO they should focus on having fun! And if having fun means learning to play twice as good as Al Di Meola then so be it. Or if you never learn to play anything except a radio (and maybe a little BIAB) that is just as valid! Like PG always says...
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This could be a long discussion but my lack of typing ability will make it sort of short. This is only a general comment and not at anybody at all.OK?
We have all of these wonderful tools available to us for recording, writing,one man bands on and on. Mixing, mastering, burning & more.Editing, cut, paste, fiddle. get what I'm saying? The issues come when a person can't use all these tools to create some masterpiece. Well the bottom line is that some folks just are not meant to do this. They don't have the skills, talent etc. to create this master piece. My advice to anyone is to evaluate your strengths and weaknesses and focus on the strengths and accept that things you just can't do.
I am never frustrated writing songs.Why? Because I realised many, many years ago that I was not a writer and just was not adept at that. Unfortunately there are also a lot of people that are not writers either and you hear, subjectively, some pretty bad material.
To say it another way I bet there are a bunch of folks that would LOVE to build their dream home with their own hands. You can buy all the tools, all the material etc. but I'd be willing to bet that even though all the stuff is available to build a house most would never consider it.My $.02 I'd agree mostly but I'd say if it pleases you, regardless of whether you have any talent (or whether someone else deems you have talent), then do it! The vast majority of singer-songwriters will never earn their keep with this. So IMHO they should focus on having fun! And if having fun means learning to play twice as good as Al Di Meola then so be it. Or if you never learn to play anything except a radio (and maybe a little BIAB) that is just as valid! Like PG always says... I agree but when it stops being fun and you become frustrated & stressed it's time to give in and give it up or try and get back to a place were you are having fun again.
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I agree but when it stops being fun and you become frustrated & stressed it's time to give in and give it up or try and get back to a place were you are having fun again. Exactly. In this case I found all my effort in covering this tune was dependent me being able to transcribe by ear the entire piece. Reality Check time! This was far more than I could actually do. Problem was solved when I simply purchased the sheet music. It was a painful learning lesson, but all is fine now. Did I mention I was doing this for a friend who was getting impatient waiting for me to finish the job? i sent the file late last night.
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Sometimes all that is necessary to meat a deadline is to stop, take a break, rest, do something else, do nothing at all, then be sure to schedule the time when you come back to the thing -- with fresh brain cells, eyes and ears.
I don't like telling someone that they cannot do something and therefore should not make the attempt.
We all are at different locations along the same path, IMO.
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- SynthMaster Sounds and Styles (with audio demos)
- 128 GM MIDI Patch Audio Demos.
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2025 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
- 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyles,
- FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
- Look Ma! More MIDI 14: SynthMaster,
- Instrumental Studies Set 23: More '80s Hard Rock Soloing,
- MIDI SuperTracks Set 45: More SynthMaster
- Artist Performance Set 18: Songs with Vocals 8
- RealDrums Stems Set 8: Pop, Funk & More with Jerry Roe
Learn more about the Bonus PAKs for Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®!
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Mac!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
New! XPro Styles PAK 9 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and higher for Mac!
We've just released XPro Styles PAK 9 for Mac & Windows Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) with 100 brand new RealStyles, plus 29 RealTracks/RealDrums!
We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
New! Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box 2025 and Higher for Windows!
Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Windows & Mac Band-in-a-Box version 2025 (and higher) is here with 200 brand new RealStyles!
We're excited to bring you our latest and greatest in the all new Xtra Styles PAK 20 for Band-in-a-Box! This fresh installment is packed with 200 all-new styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres you've come to expect, as well as the exciting inclusion of electronic styles!
In this PAK you’ll discover: Minimalist Modern Funk, New Wave Synth Pop, Hard Bop Latin Groove, Gospel Country Shuffle, Cinematic Synthwave, '60s Motown, Funky Lo-Fi Bossa, Heavy 1980s Metal, Soft Muted 12-8 Folk, J-Pop Jazz Fusion, and many more!
All the Xtra Styles PAKs 1 - 20 are on special for only $29 each (reg $49), or get all 209 PAKs for $199 (reg $399)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of the Xtra Styles PAK 20.
Video: Xtra Styles PAK 20 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
Note: The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 20 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version because they need the RealTracks from the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.
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