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Hi Forum,
When I play several midi files in succession, I sometimes experience hanging notes when I start a new song. When I press the panic button it usually stops but the sound is disturbed. I cannot use this in a live performance.
Is there any way to send not off messages automatically at the end of each song?
Thank you for your help.
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You might insert Controller #123 at the end of each song via the Event List Editor.
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Thank you Martin,
Call me slow, but I need step by step instructions. Thank you.
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Orrr convert all midi to audio and resave to a new file name
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Call me slow, but I need step by step instructions.
Help -> Event List ...
In case you're still stuck, post back.
Martin
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I prefer to use midi files. Could you please explain how to insert that controller #123? Thank you.
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Midi is nice but audio can be processed with better effects and there is a lot you can do to it to make it very real, and it loads fast.
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I prefer to use midi files. Could you please explain how to insert that controller #123? Thank you.
Insert CC123 at the end of every song's MIDI Event List.
CC123 is a General MIDI standard command of "all notes off" and does what the "Panic Button" in most sequencing softwares actually does.
Good choice, because all we have to remember is, "one, two, three". Back in the day, there were no Panic Buttons.
The hanging notes are a problem with files that have Pads, Strings or other held notes when you use the VSC synthesizer. Known bug, no fix. Except doing the above, which works. This is because most MIDI files do not include MIDI Note-Off commands because using just MIDI Note-On plus duration results in much smaller filesizes and less throughput. Using the old Note-Off command after every note can even hang some MIDI making systems, so it isn't really used as intended when they first designed the MIDI standard way back when.
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Thank you Mac,
But the Midi events list looks like an excel spreadsheet. It is also specific to a channel. Where exactly do I insert the 123 or do I insert CC123. I'm really new at this. Thank you.
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CC123 us defined as "ALL notes off" which means that it is supposed to turn all 16 MIDI channels off at that point no matter what channel you place it on in the sequence. However, I do like to put something like that at the end of the "offending" track if I know which one it is, helps to locate it later and such.
First select the Track that has the offending held note. Click on its number in Track View, the little number should turn red to show that it has been selected.
Then locate the toolbar icon with the big 'E' on it and hit it.
The Event List will open, scroll all the way down to the end and click to highlight the last entry there. It is highlighted when it has a little box outline around it.
Hit the Insert button to the right and then choose "Control Change" from the next window that opens.
Hit 'Okay'
In the little window next to "Controller" type 123
Below that, in the Level window type 127
Hit Okay, then close the Event List window.
Don't forget to Save the song like that, you have a choice to save as .SEQ which will only open in RealBand or PT, or save as a Standard MIDI file, which can be opened by any MIDI program including BIAB.
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Saxy, just some friendly advice. I'm going to assume and yes I know what the first three letters spells, I'm assuming you've downloaded a bunch of midi's thinking, wow with these and my PC I can go do a gig! Been there, done that. Downloaded midi's are notorious for having wrong commands in them of many different types not just hung notes, playing the wrong volume, the wrong instrument at the wrong time of the tune, it ritards where you don't expect it because somebody inserted tempo commands, stuff like that. That's why Robh suggested if you can get midi's to play correctly at least once, you convert them to audio files. Since you've already said you know nothing about midi, you're courting disaster on a live gig until you become a certified midiot. Trust me on this. I'm leaving for vacation tomorrow so I can't enlighten you on all the details but there's lots of threads on this subject in these forums.
Bob
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I agree completely, with JM, midi's are great but they can be complicated. Once i get the song sounding like i want i convert all tracks to audio. Then I can add effects and such, and mix and master to taste. This gives me a very fast loading file. Some midi tracks are excellent, and some are problimatic, it take a bunch of work.
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Thank guys. That is great advice. I really appreciate it.
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Question: If I convert my midi tracks to audio, will I still be able to see the staff view. I play the melody from the staff view. Thank you.
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You will not see Staff View from Audio tracks.
However, you could leave the MIDI track there to play along with the Audio track, just MUTE the MIDI or don't route it to a synth. As long as the Audio and MIDI stay at the same tempo, you should be able to read the MIDI notes as the Audio plays back in sync.
I think a better method would be to make the audio file and also PRINT sheet music from the MIDI tracks you need onto plain paper and view the paper while playing along with an mp3 file. That way you really don't need a computer on the gig, just an mp3 player hooked to the PA system and your book of pages.
If you must read off the laptop, consider storing the MIDI notation as .pdf files to read while you play along with mp3 audio files.
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