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Hello Everybody,
I am working again with Realband after a while away and I find myself a little rusty and forgetful as regards a few functions.
I would be very grateful if anyone could remind me as regards the following features.
1 When Using the following commands in the Audio menu in Realband "save all tracks to individual files (Wav Midi)
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"Save all tracks to Wav files" Is there not a more detailed dialog such as there is in biab that will allow more control over what is rendered?
2 Is there a way to batch normalize a number of tracks in realband?
3 When realdrums or realtracks or even midi styles are added in Realband is it with dry settings with no reverb etc and if reverb is automatically added by default how do I remove it?
Sorry for all the questions.
Thanks
Jan
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1. Please explain what you need or desire here; there are many ways to affect what happens to these tracks, depending on what you want.
2. Yes, highlight all the tracks you want to normalize. Fastest way is to make sure you have the whole song 'selected' (highlighted) on one track from beginning to end. Then hold CTRL and click the track number area of the tracks you want normalized. If you want all of them, highlight track 1 first and then hold Shift and click the last one; all tracks in between will be selected.
Then Use Edit- Audio Effects - Gain Change. When this window opens select the Normalize preset.
3. Realdrums and Realtracks; no reverb is added, you have to add this yourself. For midi it is often the synth being used that actually adds the reverb .. but you can use the Realband Mixer window to adjust the Reverb on MIDI tracks using a dial.
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3. Realdrums and Realtracks; no reverb is added, you have to add this yourself.
Not necessarily. We have the option of the "Dry" RealYracks that many asked for. Using the Dry RealTracks means that you can import them without any Reverb on them and must then use your own Reverb plugin to get the desired ambience. --Max
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My quoted post pretty much agrees with your post followup (unless I'm lost). There may be some reverb on the recorded Realtrack, whether labeled Dry or not, but there is no reverb added that the user has any control over. Same with Realdrums. Where I said "you have to add this yourself" you said "and must then use your own Reverb plugin to get the desired ambience" I think we're agreeing here, or I'm not understanding the Not Necessarily part. Or since you signed it as Max maybe yer not who I think you are.. 
Last edited by rharv; 11/06/13 04:48 PM.
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Thank you very much Rharv and Mac for your replies.
Rharv as regards the render dialog I guess I just liked the idea of having it there as it is in Biab, as it did seem to provide extra options. Thank you for your answers as regards the other points have really helped me.
Thank you very much Mac for your reply too.
I really must try and open the program more often as I find I do forget how to do things easily.
Regards and Thanks again
Jan
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It is important to understand that RealBand, while it can use BB filea and BB Realtracks/Realdrums and BB styles, is not the same program or situation as found in the familiar Band in a Box program.
It is likely a function of human nature to expect the two programs to do things in exactly the same fashion or with the exact same and familiar routines, etc. but if you think about it, if such were truly the case, there would be no need to have the two separate programs.
Each program is designed to perform a different task.
That means a learning curve will exist as to how to work within each program.
The good news is that this learning curve can be relatively short once that is understood and the mindset of approaching each as a separate entity is employed.
--Mac
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Mac makes a good point.
I recall building a song in BB and absolutely loving the piano track... so knowing RB uses samples, I opened it in RB. The piano track was considerably different. Useable but not the exact part in BB.
So, knowing BB used midi, I went back to BB and exported the piano midi and imported it to my DAW (Sonar X1) and loaded a really nice piano synth with samples..... again... the midi exported by BB was NOT the same that it used to create the track in BB.....
So yeah... there are some things that are and will be different between the 2 programs.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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An exported MIDI track from BB to RB should be identical in data.
However, RB may not be using the same synth, may not be set as to the gain staging the same, panning, etc.
Therefore the identical MIDI data may sound a lot different when first played back in RB. You must set the Mixer parameters of Vol and Pan inside RB, and also Reverb if wishing to use the same MIDI Reverb as BB would use on the track rather automatically.
It has been my experience that I can generally make a BB MIDI track sound better in RB after tweaking the settings and RB is also where I investigate use of bigger and better MIDI synths on those tracks as well, where we can get some pretty awesome sounds that way. I find it a bit easier to invoke and use multiple MIDI synth sources inside RB.
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It has been my experience that I can generally make a BB MIDI track sound better in RB after tweaking the settings and RB is also where I investigate use of bigger and better MIDI synths on those tracks as well, where we can get some pretty awesome sounds that way. I find it a bit easier to invoke and use multiple MIDI synth sources inside RB.
I find the same thing, and a few other things, that prompt me to move to RB once I have the main idea down in BB. Multiple synths, generating sections, moving parts around (I mean exact parts like copy/paste) seem to be easier to perform and 'keep' in RB. YMMV
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An exported MIDI track from BB to RB should be identical in data.
However, RB may not be using the same synth, may not be set as to the gain staging the same, panning, etc.
Therefore the identical MIDI data may sound a lot different when first played back in RB. You must set the Mixer parameters of Vol and Pan inside RB, and also Reverb if wishing to use the same MIDI Reverb as BB would use on the track rather automatically.
It has been my experience that I can generally make a BB MIDI track sound better in RB after tweaking the settings and RB is also where I investigate use of bigger and better MIDI synths on those tracks as well, where we can get some pretty awesome sounds that way. I find it a bit easier to invoke and use multiple MIDI synth sources inside RB.
--Mac That's what I thought too.... the piano track playing in BB had some cool little embellishments in it so I figured I would export the midi to a file, which I did. I imported it to Sonar and loaded up a nice grand piano sample and played it. Sonically speaking, it was superb.... however, the notes were a simple basic humdrum midi track.... no embellishments. I tried several ways and nothing was successful in getting the track out of BB with the cool little things in it. This was several years ago.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Something was likely not followed right in whatever you did there, my friend. It happens.
For example, I have sometimes hit the Gen/Play button in bb and gotten a simply fantastic selection of performances to generate, but in the heat of whatever have hit that darn button AGAIN before the export and that generated another different performance. Export to DAW and sit there scratching mah head...
Another thing that can happen is hearing the nice performance in bb and then either closing that songfile or bb down entirely, then coming back to it later, the Reload of the file and hitting the Play button will generate that entirely different performance as well.
This is the reason for the implementation of the Freeze tracks command, actually.
And still I have managed to forget to Freeze the better performance occasionally.
One trick I've found and use quite often, is to hit the Gen/Play button and then imnmediately Freeze and do a SaveAs under an altered filename, then hit the Gen/Play button again, save that one under a different filename, etc. I might do that several times for a tune and let it sit like that for at least overnight, then come back to it and evaluate each performance with fresh ears, and pick the best one at that time for export to DAW. It can be amazing what the regenerations can accomplish in the way of what is desired and often I get pleasant surprises from working in this fashion as well. Some of those pleasant surprises have changed direction of a project by inserting some little phrase or other that, once transferred to the DAW, can be turned into a musical hook, a repeated backing line through use of edits, things like that.
I try not to get mired up in a rigid mindset about such issues when working up a project because that mindset can block the recognition of those wonderful Serendipity moments, knowmean?
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I will attempt to export again..... midi file from BB after I freeze that track. I will let you know how this works, or doesn't work. I will export to audio and compare the 2 versions side by side in the DAW.
The question is when will I get the chance to do this? IDK.... but perhaps, hopefully soon. It would certainly be cool if this works...
My main reason was that sometimes the piano part (in particular) has excellent rendering/interpretation of the chords in a given song..... but the BB rendering leaves some to be desired in the quality ...especially when it's soloed. fuzzed notes, weird things I'm guessing with the samples and the tempo/way they were recorded. So if I could use a different synth, I could edit the notes and get a picture perfect playback...... worthy of a solo piano piece.... so I could listen without cringing at the artifacts.
I will attempt this again when I have the time.
Last edited by Guitarhacker; 11/09/13 05:16 AM.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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