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I am still wrestling with whether to bite the Audiophile upgrade bullet. This question might decide it. I have a lot of songs with frozen pre-Audiophile RT tracks. Will I be able post-Audiophile to export them at the higher sound quality -- with nothing changed other than the sound quality? In other words, does the frozen RT track contain enough information to allow Audiophile to automatically create the exact same performance as before, but now at higher sound quality? Apologies if the answer -- whatever it is -- is an obvious one, as it is not to me, but I am hoping it will be yes. Thanks.
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Interesting question. I can't answer it since I've always had just the audiophile edition.
I would guess that you would have to unfreeze and regenerate to gain the new quality. However, this is one that probably only PG Music Support can answer definitively.
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Once you have the Audiophile edition, any songs that you have done previously will load with the .wav RealTracks from it if you set things properly to use them and not any pre-existing edition's RealTracks folders.
Whether tracks are Frozen or not.
--Mac
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Thanks Mac. How do you know this?
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Once you have the Audiophile edition, any songs that you have done previously will load with the .wav RealTracks from it if you set things properly to use them and not any pre-existing edition's RealTracks folders.
Whether tracks are Frozen or not.
--Mac My intuition tells me otherwise.
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Thanks Mac. How do you know this?
Look, when a BB file is loaded and you hit Play or GenPlay, it goes out to wherever you've told it your RealTracks are, and assembles the performance from them. If a Track is Frozen, it does not store any audio data with the song, all it does is include data from a previous Generation that you liked, and uses that small amount of data to also go to wherever you've told BB your RealTracks are, and assembles them in the same order. Does. Not. Matter. if you are pointing to the Audiophile disk with the Wav files on it, or the regular disk with the .wma files on it, or even a disk in which you've converted .wma to .wav format for slightly faster file loading. How do I know this? Because I know how the darn thing works, man! --Mac
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Thank you. We have always known that BIAB will use .WAV files if they are present, otherwise it uses .WMA files. I am glad to know that you have tested your answer and are certain in this particular case involving a conversion and frozen files.
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This is wonderful and awesome in terms of the technology and programming it reflects (which blew me away even before this), and it is making my decision a clear one. I assume that the way to "set things properly to use [the .wav RTs] and not any pre-existing edition's RealTracks folders" will be spelled out in some manner, perhaps as simply as setting the options in BIAB to look for RTs on the Audiophile hard drive. Thank you very much.
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And for others who may be on the Audiophile fence, my post-Audiophile exporting of pre-Audiophile frozen tracks will allow me to extract snippets from the outputted existing pre wav files and new post wav files in a completely controlled context for their assessment.
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Thank you. We have always known that BIAB will use .WAV files if they are present, otherwise it uses .WMA files. I am glad to know that you have tested your answer and are certain in this particular case involving a conversion and frozen files.
Gotta ask, Matt ole buddy, what, didja think I would just make it up outta whole cloth or sumthin'? That ain't how I roll, man. --Mac
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That made me giggle.
The way to get the most out of these programs is to understand how they work. Inside and out. Same for any program really.
Not just how to use the features, but 'how' those features function.
Think about it, a frozen BB file is way too small to hold the actual audio .. so it must hold just the markers. I'd assume Mac was right based on that alone.
An RB seq file would be a much different case.
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Agreed. And I think there's a lesson here -- even if you are done with what you are doing on a BIAB song, freeze all tracks as a final step (or save a copy with everything frozen). You never know what additional functionality or quality or whatever PG Music will come up with down the line, and you want to be sure that your prior efforts can to the greatest extent utilize them in the future. And also label that file in some manner that indicates it is the final, fully-frozen version. Maybe others do that already; I don't consistently but I will.
Beyond that, and just thinking out loud, I wonder if there is a way to somehow isolate separate frozen tracks in some kind of separate/independent song sub-file so you could better pick and choose and archive them for best access. Presently, it is hard to find particular frozen tracks amidst fifty sequentially-named iterations of a song with selective freezings. Basically, I'd like a way to cherry-pick the frozen piano on iteration 8, the frozen guitar on 23, etc. To date, I achieve that to a degree through the exported WAV files, but the WAV file could not be improved upon through subsequent BIAB improvements as we have discussed here -- you need the frozen tracks of the song file(s). Just something to think about.
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Not my website, but I used to work with them quite a bit and a lot of my basics and other lore is still there, so. --Mac
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