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decided I'd start a new subject. I seem to remember someone saying that they always removed the effects and expressions for all midi tracks, just retaining the notes for files that they imported and then they started from there. One of the files I have converted to run on patches on my XV 3080 sound horrible because the notes all run together. I though I'd try deleting the messages and see what difference it makes. Is there a simple way to clean the file?
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Highlight the tracks required, select "Cut" then check the "Use Data Filter" uncheck the box for notes and press "OK". This will delete all events except Notes. If the incorrect selection has been made then "Undo" and try again.
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Uncheck the box for notes? Doesn't do a thing on my file. how do you select all the tracks?
I ve selected an entire track - in fact all of them separately and copied your instructions to the word and I'vs still got all the events. and what a mess it sounds now! good thing I copied the original so I can go back to it. what do I do now? there seem to be a lot of CC11 events. i deleted them manually using the evnt list and get no sound at all?
your guidance welcomed
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CC11 is the MIDI Expression control.
Think of it like the Expression Pedal on an organ.
It controls Volume, but in a slightly different place than the CC7 Volume command does.
The CC11 corresponds to the individual volume faders on a mixer.
CC7, on the other hand, corresponds to the Master Volume Fader over at the end of a mixer.
So, if you have a MIDI file that contains both CC7 and CC11 events, any CC11 commands will control the volume of whatever MIDI channel it is assigned to, whether one or more, usually only one at a time, BUT -- its overall volume can't go higher than the CC7 setting.
In other words, if CC7 were set to 90, you could turn a track's CC11 up to 127 alright, but it could not exceed that CC7 setting of 90.
This is more powerful than it first appears, as it really can make a huge difference in the mix of a MIDI sequence.
If you strip out ALL of the CC11's in the file or on a track, then it is likely that the sequencer will default to a CC11 setting of ZERO or no volume at all.
I can't imagine a good reason to strip out CC11 commands, typically they were put there by the MIDIOT who wrote the file for good reason. But with all the free downloadble MIDI files about, there easily could be some that aren't up to snuff for a variety of reasons. In that case, it may be far better -- and far easier -- to go out websearching for another MIDI file of the same song, which may just beat trying to put a saddle on a dying horse in the first place.
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decided I'd start a new subject. I seem to remember someone saying that they always removed the effects and expressions for all midi tracks, just retaining the notes for files that they imported and then they started from there.
You will hear a lot of people saying a lot of things about MIDI.
Sometimes a few of those things are actually true...
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You must have left one that said volume 0 (or the last one it sent before you cut everything said volume 0) if you get no sound at all...
You can hilight all tracks by holding down the ctrl button while selecting each, or highlite the first one and hold shift key while clicking on the last one (it will select all in bewtween.
I would hilight them all, use the event list and data filter to delete the volumes, if that's what your after., and then adjust the sliders for each track to where I like them.
I would only delete control changes 7 and 11, not all control changes in the song...
As I think about your intial post, it sounds like the patches on the synth you are using have the release set to longer in the synth itself, if "the notes all run together".
OR a control change for the sustain message got left on somehow..
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Glenn,
Perhaps it would be better for you to simply state what it is that you want to have this file DO in the first place.
There may be other, easier ways to lick this puppy.
For example, is this a situation where the MIDI just doesn't have the PUNCH you want?
That is a typical "problem" that people get all mired up in needlessly.
1) You don't have to have the punch until after the mixdown when its pcm digital audio. Often is the case that I get that happening in the Mastering phase.
2) There is a velocity trick that can be applied easily to any track or whole file.
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Firstly - Thanks for all your input folks.
The file is Funeral for a friend - Elton John. If you know the track you'll know it starts with a gradual increase in volume of a windy night. I've listened to countless midi versions and found one that was significantly better than the rest. I have spent many hours playing around with it using the DXi sounds and effects on PT. I play over it using my Korg synth and another Casio Digital piano. I have added some audio wind to the beginning of the track and everyone who's heard me play it says it sounds cool.
I have always been a little critical of some of the synth sounds and thought I'd play it through my Roland which has the ability to layer stuff up - some of the strings and synth sounds are really fat compared to the DXi. I have done the same thing with another track and it worked brilliantly so thought it would be a simple exercise to do the same thing with the Elton John number. I might have a look at the Roland settings for the synth and see if I can wind the sustain down a bit. Is there a CC no for sustain or rather which one is it? There seem to be a number of possibilities?
I'll have another go tonight and see if I can get some sense out of it.
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I've just had a look at the file and the only controller events are CC11's so thats obviously not causing the problem. Must be the Roland patches.
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When i start with a midi file i start by getting rid of just the volume CC command so i can adjust the volumes to taste and not have them snap back with each start. I like to lower the volume on the melody track so i can barely hear it, gives me a small feel of the track, without a dominating melody pounding out in some synth that makes me crazy.
Also sometimes i change the melody to a simple keyboard sound as well, like a Dx piano, or a rhodes.
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I had another go last night. Looked at the the sounds in the Roland Performance preset that I had used and how they were set up. Found that each patch was set to volume max and reverb max. Pulled the reverb back to zero and halved all the volumes and saved the Performance preset (Roland refers to a multipatch, multichannel preset as a "Performance" on the XV 3080) and got the sound half decent. Stop most of the hanging notes. Still have a problem with the bass but found using a different patch made a big difference. The synth patches I'm using don't sound right for the song so I need to experiment with some others but thats a matter of listening to the original and finding a reasonable match. So the issue lies with the pacthes and effects on the Roland. Its a matter of finding them all (Its not an easy synth to find your way around) and tuning them appropriately. I'm getting closer. Incidentally, Robh, I have been treating each track as an individual item at this stage. I'll have to balance volumes later once I've got the actual sound right.
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Lost the plot last night. Don't know what has happened to the midi file but it's got corrupted somehow and all the timing is out and even with all my fiddling to the Roland I'e still got some hanging notes. I give up and will continue to use the DXi version which when I listened to is last night sounds remarkably good!!!
One thing I have noticed when I have added a bit of audio at the beginning of a file is that after that has finished the data shown on the track screen does not line up with whats playing. It seems to play OK but starts playing before the cursor gets to it. Is this a bug anyone else has noticed. Seems to have something to do with the cut and paste function.
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