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And its my own fault! But what can I do about it?
The meat on the bones - I am using _JPJONSAC.STY a lovely 8ths solo piano, which is meant to run at 110bpm. BUT, I'm using it at 65bpm and,I think, because its a wma file (I have 2014 EverythingPak)it "warbles" at that low speed.
BB is very short on solo Piano RTs AFAICT. The only other one I can find, _PNCALIS.STY works at the right speed but is too "flowery".
Anything I can do to stop the warble?
Q - If I had bought the wavs )Audiophile) would I still have had the problem??
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Hi Ian, Realtracks start to introduce noticeable sonic artifacts when they're stretched any more than 5 - 10 bpm lower. While wav versus wma might impact on this to some extent, the stretching that you've done is significant and would still be noticeable. Have you tried using the track in "Double time"? This should give you a better result. "Double time" means it will take twice as long to play it (i.e. will slow it down).  The optimum tempo setting for a RT at 110 in double time would be 110/2 = 55 bpm. 65 bpm is not too far from that and it's also compressed rather than stretched to the new tempo. Compression always sounds better. Regards, Noel
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Interesting! I never knew that was there. Why? Because at my screen res of 1024 x 768 it is off screen. Gonna have to play with the res and see what is better so that I get the whole screen.
Now - I ran it a Double Time and it works very much better but for the same reason that you would DT an instrument it now sounds quite "busy". However, it will probably work OK.
Thanks for your help, Noel. Always very much appreciated.
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About the "sounds quite busy", did you try using the "Simpler" option (near the bottom of the real track picker)?
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Piano is also one of the few instruments where MIDI can sound as good as the acoustically recorded realtrack, in some cases, such as we have here, maybe even better.
So don't overlook any MIDI or even SuperMIDI you might have, worth auditioning. No stretch needed, only concern is that if the Tempo gets too low, it might get a bit too busy. Use a slower MIDI track. You also get editing by the note capability with MIDI, and then Freeze.
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Interesting! I never knew that was there. Why? Because at my screen res of 1024 x 768 it is off screen. Gonna have to play with the res and see what is better so that I get the whole screen.
Now - I ran it a Double Time and it works very much better but for the same reason that you would DT an instrument it now sounds quite "busy". However, it will probably work OK.
Thanks for your help, Noel. Always very much appreciated.
Ian
You shouldn't have to change the resolution Ian. I run at a low resolution as well and in the realtrakcs picker or even style picker there are scroll bars at bottom so you can just scroll to right to see everything. Musiclover
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About the "sounds quite busy", did you try using the "Simpler" option (near the bottom of the real track picker)?
Hi Matt Sadly neither of these RTs (1729 or 1006) has the "simpler" option. Its another of those features I couldnt see because I had my screen res set up wrong and I incorrectly thought that I had the whole page on screen when I didnt! Sheesh!! Ian
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Piano is also one of the few instruments where MIDI can sound as good as the acoustically recorded realtrack, in some cases, such as we have here, maybe even better.
So don't overlook any MIDI or even SuperMIDI you might have, worth auditioning. No stretch needed, only concern is that if the Tempo gets too low, it might get a bit too busy. Use a slower MIDI track. You also get editing by the note capability with MIDI, and then Freeze.
--Mac Hello Mac What a great idea! I think we get so tracked into how good the RTs are that we (=me!) overlook the possibilities that MSTs and some of the midi Styles have to offer. " I am reviewing the situation - -" Thanks Mac Ian
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I almost always use midi for piano now as with a good sampler i get very smooth piano. I was working on a new file "September morn by Neil Diamond" and i auditioned a downloaded midi from the net with Rolands TTS synth, and while it sounded decent, i switched and auditioned about 4 or 5 from sampletank and wow i found a keeper for that song. I have used RTs on piano a few times but have yet to find very many that fit so far, unlike some of the other instruments.
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